Huffandstuff

Abnormal means not average. If the average range of people can handle brakeless then it's abnormal to have knee issues.

On the topic of parts, possibly get some h plus son 42s if you want to hop curbs. I agree on the suginos but can also do the omniums for a cheaper thing but the BB fails apparently.

mihlbach

It's because people played too many video games when they were a kid instead of riding their bmx, and now they don't have proper bike riding skills.

europa

I love my Supertype seat post. The only thing to be aware of is that the shape limits how far down into the seat post it can go. This probably isn't a problem for most but I like my frames with a high top tube (to get the head and hence the handlebars up to saddle height).

The only argument I have with the Supertype is that it doesn't have infinite angle adjustment, it's annoying when you find the ideal seat angle is half way between two teeth.

NserUame

Messing around on Retro-gression...

I even took that forum user's suggestion for the dust caps! Ha!

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[TD="class: item_description"]Phil Wood high flange track hubs - Phil Wood track hub - rear - black - 36h[/TD]
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[TD="class: item_description"]Vittoria Randonneur tire - Vittoria Randonneur tire - black - 25c[/TD]
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[TD="class: item_description"]Sapim CX-Ray spokes - Sapim CX-Ray spokes - black each[/TD]
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[TD="class: item_description"]Sapim Polyax brass spoke nipples - Sapim Polyax brass nipples - silver/each[/TD]
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[TD="class: item_description"]FSA Orbit X headset - FSA Orbit-X headset - black 1 1/8"[/TD]
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[TD="class: item_description"]MKS GR-10 pedals - MKS GR-10 pedals - black[/TD]
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[TD="class: item_description"]Thomson Elite zero-setback seatpost - Thomson Elite seatpost - black/27.2x250mm[/TD]
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That would be one sweet bike. ~$2400 + shipping

IDOutlaw

^^^^Yikes! Might as well chalk my body right now, because my Wife would kill me!

Scrodzilla

Nah, that would be Angie.

"Perfect chain line" isn't anything to lose sleep over but I'll definitely help with advice and whatnot.

Also, I had a 28c Pasela TG on my BK without any trouble. The wheel just had to be pulled back a little further to clear the chain stays.

SpeedofLight

Sorry to get off topic but its always comical to me reading some of the snobby roadie responses on here when somebody comes on asking for advice or help. I have one of those D****E bags that delivers to my work once a week, "If its not a 5500 dollar Colnago frameset, it's S**T" It's like there so much brighter with unlimited bank accounts, there stepping across the backs of the lesser peasants to get to the bike shop, Anyways, to the OP, I don't really have any advice but wish you the best on the build.

prooftheory

If I wanted that build I would be asking for donations.

rms13

op should talk to the guy that spent like $5k on his State bike build. unfortunately I think that guy got scared off by everyone here never to return

prooftheory

Op's described build is tasteful though. That one was garish.

NserUame

Cheers guys.. it is a bit on the over-the-top side, but that is what I'm after. It is a toy to help me pass some time since my mother passed away this week and a project to build with my old man. Plus, I use the bike a lot to get around here in the city.

Just realised I've been riding every day for 19 days straight, have been using it to de-stress.. guess I should take a break! I'm sure my knees/thighs (I think it is tendonitis) will sort emselves out with some proper rest.

Thanks. I like to take the at-times great advice that comes from people like the ones you described, so you have to take the good with the bad! I've appreciated every response so far.

I'm going to give a few local frame builders a call and look into getting a custom steel track frame. I also wonder whether I am being ******** with those spokes. They cost just about as much as my entire current bike.

NserUame

Cheers!

rms13

Sorry to hear about your mother. Don't stop riding. Rest is a myth. I commute to work every day on my bike. Don't do huge distance every day but I do usually ride 7 days a week with some long rides mixed in.

JeremyLC

Custom frame? Wait until you see what that will do to your budget! The spokes will seem cheap.

NserUame

Yeah, I was a bit mislead because they had some cheap ones listed that customers didn't pick up. Back to reality again now!

seau grateau

$200 for spokes does seem a little overboard.

Soo__Fuego

Spicer will make you a frame for less than that BK

https://spicercycles.com/product/spic...-sizes-413.htm

yummygooey

condolences re your mom.

~

80mm stem with risers seems like a flag to me. are you sure that's the right length stem? or are you sure you should be on a 54cm bareknuckle?

i'd also consider using sapim race (or laser) over cx rays. they are a lot cheaper. if you're building the wheelset yourself you'll probably have an easier time with the race spokes if you've never built wheels before.

how much do you weigh? 36h is a lot. 32h could also be more than you need depending on your body build, especially with those rims.

TejanoTrackie 

The BK includes a fork and the finishing is nicer. You get what you pay for.

NserUame

Thanks Yummy

I'm 5"10 with a 32.2" inseam, and I weigh 80kgs. From wrist to wrist I am 146cm

I believe that the 54cm will suit well as I have heard the BareKnuckles feel bigger than they are, but to be honest I was just guessing with that stem length choice. I have heard that risers are good for street/city use, but I actually prefer the look of regular drops. I ride in my drops quite often up hills and on sprints on my current bike too. Ultimately I decided on the risers since everyone raves about them for city use, and they're much lighter, but if you had a suggestion I'd likely take it.

I'll keep that in mind regarding the difficulty with the cx rays. We did build some wheels a few years ago, Dad has done it a few times and there's always Google! Is it much more difficult?

yummygooey

i would guess that the 54cm BK (with 55cm top tube length) should indeed be the right size for you then assuming normal proportions.

typically with risers you would have a longer stem than you would with drops. i don't know all your measurements (have you done a fit calculator?) and what kind of fit you're shooting for but 80mm just sounds short to me. i like my risers to be long and low, but YMMV. i like my risers for city use as well.

at your weight i would think a 32h SL42 front and rear should be more than adequate. spoke choice is up to you and it sounds like you and your pops will be just fine with the wheel build but wowzers $200 of spokes is a lot! lulz.

NserUame

Haha! I'll probably end up being sensible when ordering time comes and get regular spokes.

I'll switch stem up for a 100mm. I did a few calculators, is there one you would recommend?

I've had such great suggestions, I am really excited about the bike!

Leukybear 

I just took a closer look to your laundry list.

There's no way you need CX-rays @ that price..... especially on a 36H SL42; that's just wrong.
Brass nipples are optional too.

Scrodzilla

+1

Also, it's made of nicer steel.

+1 on this too.

Aero spokes are dumb unless you're racing.

NserUame

Noted - thanks guys!