Any shop that doesn't sell low end fg bikes but then gets snarky because you bought one on-line and asked them to set it up for you, doesn't deserve any business from you. It's different if they DO carry entry level fg bikes though even then, by setting up your bike they're putting money through their workshop with the probability they'll sell bits and accessories to you as well if not later.
Provided you're polite and given your lbs a chance to find a bike a for you, I see nothing wrong with buying on-line then paying them to make sure it's right. You might also start to understand why things on-line are cheaper than in a bike shop.
Never be scared to pay for service or advice.
Never pay for snotty attitudes and prejudice ... sadly, that's often the reality, especially in roadie shops.
a budget friendly bike isnt necessarely a beginner friendly bike. bottom bracket tools, lock ring and chain whip tools. cone wrenches if the regular kilo still comes with unsealed hubs and crank puller.
but like europa said, find a cool shop and if youre willing to pay them to check it over and adjust things accordingly by all means, still good.
plus they might even walk you through a few things and you get to learn as well!
I am so baffled why the advice is always "Kilo TT."
At literally 10-20% above that price point in France, you can do so much better. Surely in the U.S., where you can literally eat all you can for $9 at Golden Corral, you could also do better at a physical bike shop. Or am I terribly wrong with my intuition?
Either way, the spec for crank type is "alloy forged track," with literally 90% of the major parts being non-branded. Surely these are all "designed" and made in China.
In fairness, I've never seen one of these in my life. But my local shop, XXCycle, sells the Stevens Velocita for 599€ new and used ones on leboncoin (French Craig's List) are almost half that. And that bike has FSA, Shimano, Miche components, depending on build-up. This is probably why I've never once seen the fabled Kilo TT in France.
What's the cred derived from? Price alone?
I understand the argument for buying from the LBS but if you are somewhat capable with a wrench it may not make sense to everyone
I think that's where your confusion originates.
I'm in Australia so the Bikes Direct bikes aren't available here. There are lots of bikes at prices the yanks would turn purple at. Different worlds. Having read a lot of threads over the years, the KiloTT advice is fair enough in the US. Elsewhere, the advice just doesn't apply. Truth be known, I think you probably have a freer, more open market than the US one, the US just enjoys local volume, but that's a big advantage for buyers in the US.
I also did not take into consideration that our minimum wage here is 1300€/month, and with a 35 hour work week that's around 13 USD/hour.
Our petrol is appropriately taxed by federal and regional governments and is 2 USD/liter, where I believe in the USA it is 0.75 USD/liter.
We also have a tiny fraction of the giant food subsidies that the USA has, and so a Big Mac meal costs 10-11 USD where you only pay 5 USD. So we only eat at McDo as a treat.
Eat cheap food. Have minimal expenses to drive a car. Sedentary lifestyle. Demand for food and fuel is high. Demand for bikes is low. Cheap bikes become expensive. #KiloTT is end result.
It's absolute opposite here. Good cars cost cash, good food is expensive, everyone has bikes. Even great bikes are low price. The equivalent of a Kilo TT here is 150€, but is from China. This is what I don't understand. Surely it costs the same to ship from China/Taiwan to US or France, and there is no scale differential, because no one wants these cheap no-name bikes with unbranded parts here. The economic logic says that they should be even higher here, since we are buying less of them, wasting space with inventory, etc. But for some reason, your cheap bikes are double the price of our cheap bikes, even though you have higher scale and identical shipping rates from Far East Asia. It's just predatory pricing, obviously. All French ride bikes and we know the values. No one here would pay 300€ for a Kilo TT, the parts on the bike don't even have names. Crazy.
The average 18 year old kid who works at Carrefour (French Wal-Mart) here can buy a Stevens fixie, pay rent and bills with one paycheck.
The average 18 year old kid who works at Wal-Mart in the U.S. would have to save for a month, live at home with parents, and maybe after a month could afford a Kilo TT and a 100 USD cell phone bill.
American cycle culture, yikes!!!! Cheap Big Macs and expensive Kilo TTs.
Stay cool, terrible heat you guys are having. At this time of the year, the Languedoc is 10 C and a little rainy, but sounds much better than 45 C and blazing sun!!!!
:hug: ^ this guy, so much lols
I'm fairly new and went down to the LBS (Performance Bikes), and I settled on an SE Lager, it was $400. They said the SE Lager is a good value for the the money. I looked at the specs online to compare and figure out what I missed if I bought the Dawes SST for $250.
Even the Dawes SST has a 100% CroMo frame, but at $400 SE still isn't able to match that? I don't know a lot about the other components but it would seem that the Dawes SST might even be a better bike at $150 less and I could have just measured the Standover height and then had someone assemble it for $70- and I would have still came out on top.
Might actually pick up one of those Dawes for the sqrl. That's a great buy at 200 bucks.
But yeah, you pretty much figured out why we recommend BD so much.
Lots of companies are cashing in on the fixie trend by sacrificing quality for aesthetics. SE is a prime example. BD, on the other hand, is able to offer their low prices by eliminating quality control and shop support from the business model. In my opinion, it's never been a better time to convert old road bikes.
Also note that the Dawes you linked is only available in 43.
I just received the Kilo WT, will have to wait until Monday to ride it, snow and 5F outside where I am now.
They are not difficult to put together using very limited tools. You are going to need to know something for any bike, or do you take it to the LBS every time you get a flat etc.
I would recommend brakes whatever you do.
Certainly the frame is not made in China.
So what is everyone talking about lack of quality on the SE Lager bikes ?
Still pretty vague on the quality issues? What exactly sucks about them ?
Hey guys so bit of an update. I still haven't pulled the trigger on anything yet.
I went to a LBS and asked about their Raleigh selection. They told me it was basically a garbage brand and that they only carry Raleigh children's bikes. They were amazed to hear they even made a road bike. Seemed like 99% of what they sold was a brand called Specialized. The guy said i should spend the extra few hundred dollars on one of those... even though I told him it'd be my first bike and was looking for something very entry level.
He said he could order the Rush Hour, but at that point I felt kind of like an idiot and left. Since then I've been checking for a Kilo TT online in the color/size I want. No luck there yet but Ive been patient.
Recently I found this on craigslist.
Mercier Kilo TT
I don't know if this is actually a good deal or not... It sounds like a good price but since I know nothing about bikes or bike parts I figured I'd ask you guys. Is it worth checking this out or should i just keep checking BikesDirect?