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Old 04-04-14, 08:11 AM   #1
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cinelli vigorelli

hello new here only been into the whole fixie research and quility thing, im looking at upgrading in a major way very shortly as i live in australia the desired bike i want from a lbs would be far to expenisve so i have come across this site with the help of this forum which i thank you for. its benscycles, i have been looking through forums looking for complete cycles but really thjey are not what i would want in the long run. im looking at the vigorelli by cinelli on here the rose i was previously deciding between a felt tk3 or a avanti pista pro i currently ride which would be the equivelient or if not worse then a visp which i picked from cyclingdeal for 120 which i couldnt complain about othere then the seat cleamp design for the price though what do you want. so ive come to the conclusion of getting this i would of wanted a coaster rear hub which would be a velo star 36 hole and thinking about a deep v velo city wheelset or something along those lines i was going to also try and build a front wheel from the website also which i was think the shimano ulterega front hup with maybe a mavic wheel and spokes from thetre i just have no clue i have been up for countless nights now trying to think of what to get buy reading forums and reviews but frankly everything has good and bad point and would like a guide or a point into the right direction. i have inseem of 87/88cm and also wondering on frame size choice...
thankyou to anyone who is wiling to take the time to asiist me with this problem and get me finally ready to order
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Old 04-04-14, 08:13 AM   #2
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i also am about 110kg and would be riding on the road mostly
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A few things: First, if you want people to actually give you some help, I suggest using both capitalization and punctuation. You should also consider breaking your sentences into paragraphs. Your post all ran together and it was hard to figure out what you were asking for. I realize that you may have been doing this on a phone but you will get better results if you put in the effort.

Second, to get info about sizing you should read this sticky and follow the instructions.

Third, are you planning to get a front brake? I personally think a vigorelli with a coaster brake is a horrible idea. If you can't get a back brake then go fixed and use a front brake.
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Old 04-04-14, 09:12 AM   #4
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i personally think a vigorelli with a coaster brake is blasphemy and calls for castration
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If you came into my shop saying you wanted to buy a Vigorelli and put a coaster brake on it, I would tell you to spend less money on something else.

Also, my brain is ouchy after trying to read your run-on post.
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Old 04-04-14, 09:35 AM   #6
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I do apologize to everyone for that i was going to do a spell check but went of to do other things and came back and just submitted so i shall try again.

My outlay of the thread may still be horribly set out but im not really one for righting a story and i do apologize
I currently ride ss not fixed i like the idea of being able to coast when i want and not my legs constantly going.

I enjoy the simplisity of a single speed track bike because its easy and goes when you want it to and mostly how you want it to,ive choosen the vigorelli because frankly i like the look of it which may sound cocky or like a hipster, but if thats what it is so be it.


i would of liked to have choosen most parts from this benscycles because postage to aus is free and they have a good selection of from what i can see. ill attach a photo of what i have choosen and would require a little bit of help with maybe tweaking things or changing it

bike sizibng now isnt a problem after reading the sticky sorry for that.
the webiste i was using is ? Ben's Cycle ? Milwaukee Bicycle Co. ?
Thankyou guys again for even replying..
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why would the coaster idea be so bad ?
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Never mind. Spend as much as you want on whatever you think looks cool.

After all, it's not my money.
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Coaster brakes don't work very well compared to a caliper brake and they are generally only on kids bikes. Do you want to have a cool bike and then have everyone who knows about bikes laughing at your silly brake? You are planning to still have a front brake, right? A single speed really needs to have two brakes. Otherwise it really is just poser bike.
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After all it is only money i do have a single speed now which i had only a front brake on for a long time and it worked fine.At the end of the day it doesnt matter how a bike is set up right? so the suggest against it is fine i shall reconsider.
i will keep fixed in mind for this then and can always put the spare flip flop wheel i have laying around on it for ss.

then another question arises what wheels would be recommended ?
you may all see me as a dickhead for these stupid question but hey we all started somewhere right ?
i also wasnt meaning to sound like a dick for the "looks cool" remark either, At the end of the day i like this frameset and would like some help in the build.
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If you want wheel suggestions you should at least give a price range. All of the built wheels from Ben's seem okay. There are a couple of threads on the front page about wheels right now and if you do a search I'm sure there are hundreds of threads about wheels to tell you about quality.
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why would the coaster idea be so bad ?
When you brake, your weight transfers toward the front of the bike. On any bike, but especially short chainstay bikes, the rear wheel becomes radically unweighted. With just a coaster brake and skinny, high-pressure tires, there will be a tendency to lock up the rear wheel and skid in short order. Skidding is not braking and will result in a longer stopping distance.

Cruiser bikes, which usually sport coaster brakes only, are much more laid back, more weight over the rear wheel, longer chainstay with less propensity to unweight the rear wheel, running wider tires at lower pressures.

Addition of a front brake helps immensely to shorten stopping distance, I believe there are studies out there indicating that 80% of your stopping power will be from the front brake.

Where you state you will be riding primarily on the road, and assuredly in traffic, moar brake is betterer and a separate front brake is a very, very smart idea. Maybe the difference between "Woah, that was close!" and "AAAAAAAhhhhhh..." *crash*
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op - "I want to look like I'm riding a fixie, without riding a fixie."

Everyone is going to be able to tell that it's not a fixie. And you'll look silly as ****
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Old 04-04-14, 11:07 AM   #14
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well in all i guess im learning to ride fix properly then. thankytou guys for your input ill look at the wheel posts tommorow.

should order maybe saturday/sunday ill keep you posted i guess on wheelset.

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Have you considered everything you'll need to buy to build a complete bike? I ask because you screenshot above doesn't show enough parts to get there.

You'll need (to build it fixed gear, anyway)

frame
fork
headset*
(the Vigorelli, fortunately, comes with a fork and headset**)

spacers
stem
handlebars
bar tape

front brake (optional):
lever
caliper
cable
cable housing

rear brake (optional, and not installable on the Vigorelli anyway):
lever
caliper
cable
cable housing

cable caps (why can't I buy less than 500 at a time? )
seat post
seat collar / clamp (I think this is included the Vigorelli, yes?)
saddle
bottom bracket**
crankset
chainring
pedals
straps / toe clips (not needed for clipless)
chain

front wheel:
rim
hub
spokes
rim tape
inner tube
tire


rear wheel:
rim
hub
spokes
rim tape
inner tube
tire
cog*
lockring*

*) You may need special tools to install these parts, or you'll need a bike shop to do it for you.
**) I assume the headset is installed and the BB shell is already faced and ready for a BB?

If I've overlooked anything I'm sure the other guys here can add it to the list. (please, do, too. I've been making an informal mental inventory for if I ever convince myself to build up one of those pink Vigs)

As for the coaster brake, I agree with the other guys. It'll look dorky on a Vigorelli. Additionally, you really won't be able to stop fast enough to ride (relatively) safely in traffic. I'd say build it fixed and use a front brake. You get most of your stopping power from the front brake and you can still use your legs to modulate your speed.

Finally, as for where to buy wheels you might try Velomine.com, they have good prices on decent wheels, though I don't know if they ship to Oz or what they would charge if they do.
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OP, seeing you're in Australia, try Cell Bikes They're an online shop but they're an Aussie online shop so shipping isn't stupid. They are also very good value for money selling low end right through to high end bikes and bits. There are a few on-line, specialist SS/FG shops in Oz too, though they tend to sell better quality bits so you'll pay more ... but less often.

As always, you're going to spend less buying a complete bike rather than building one, the downside being you get someone else's idea of what a good bike is (usually an accountant or marketing man's idea).

SS or FG bikes aren't hard to find in the shops in Australia so I'd counsel you to go looking at real shops first. Beware, there's a lot of 'we're only stocking these stupid things because they're cool but real cyclists spend thousands on a racing bike' attitude in our shops, but you also find shops who understand SS/FG - hell, I can name two specialist SS/FG shops here in little ol' Adelaide and few more who stock and understand the caper. You're even better off buying from a real shop AND you get the chance to customise it as you buy ie, you don't wind up with bits you don't need because you've replaced them.

Rear brakes only - poor idea as explained above. A front brake is a must if you want to survive the rat runners on our benighted roads.

Coasting is waaaay over-rated. You don't have to go FG but it's more efficient and a better feel than SS. At least give it a go at some point.

This place is fun, but take yourself to Fixed Gear Australia, an Aussie fixed gear site with forums. You not only get advice relevant to Australians, they're almost as rude as this lot
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Thankyou both to your input i should of added that i have a oldi think its speedwell vintage steelie that i have converted to fixed with a front brake i would never ridebrakeless because in my opinon its too dangerous.
i have rang a few cycle shops in a reasonable distance to my area but they all seem to just brush my questions off unless its about a racing bike.

With the coaster i wasnt going to run it as a primary brake just because i hadnt seen a coaster bike other than a kids bike and now i know the reason why.But moving on, i do have a selle smp seat to go onto this, Sugino 48T crank my current headset which im unsure of the brank and flat pedals with straps for it so really i only needs wheels ?

i have a bike stand and i think 85% of the bike specific tools i would require "i think"
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I wouldn't waste time just ringing the shops because if you get a dick who thinks the world revolves around the pro peleton, you're sunk. In the bigger shops, there's often just one bloke who loves or at least understands fg but he may not be the one who answers the phone.
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i have a bike stand and i think 85% of the bike specific tools i would require "i think"
You'll never have all the specific tools you need because the buggers keep inventing bits that need a different 'special tool'
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When you skim posts and the words cog and lockring are next to one another, you have to pause and reread.
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When you skim posts and the words cog and lockring are next to one another, you have to pause and reread.

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