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Old 06-07-14, 12:23 PM   #1
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Newbie Into Race Shape By July 12?

So I get my single speed today.

While I was driving home from work I saw a sign for a charity bike race/run. They have a 100 mile, 50 mile, and 25 mile race on July 12th. I currently have no experience with bike racing or riding at a race speed or even SS beyond my BMX bike. My level of fitness isn't couch potato, I can go for a 10 or 15 mile MTB ride right now without a second thought and I can ride for an hour at a 20 mph pace, barring hills.

It would be really cool to enter into the 100 mile race, but I don't know if I have enough time to get to that level of fitness. I know I could do the 25 without a second thought and I figure the 50 wouldn't be too bad. Anyone have thoughts or a training plan that could get me there in 4 weeks?
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Be clear about this. A 100 mile charity bike ride is typically not a "race", it is a "ride". There are no prizes for coming in first and no sprinting or climbing points. A race would normally want you to get a licence and in the case of a legitimate road race there would be no one with a single speed whatsoever. As for completing a charity ride, they are usually fun and often a good way to get a personal distance record. There is support for the ride and you are contributing to a charity. Completing 100 miles is not difficult if you are in shape. It is not like running a marathon. It is much more like a 15 or 18 mile hike you just have to be able to keep pedalling for a long time. I would go out on your own on a couple of long rides by yourself to see how you feel before selecting a distance.
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My apologies for not being more specific, this is a charity race, there is a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place for each division, with prizes, and one of those divisions is SS.
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Post a link. There has never been a sanctioned race that I've ever heard of that offered variable distances like you are suggesting.
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What are you talking about? Can things not exist unless you've heard of them?

FWIW, the owner of the last shop I worked at back in MA has competed in several 50 and 100 mile races - one of them taking place in the mountains of North Carolina.
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What are you talking about? Can things not exist unless you've heard of them?

FWIW, the owner of the last shop I worked at back in MA has competed in several 50 and 100 mile races - one of them taking place in the mountains of North Carolina.
I didn't say it didn't exist. I said to post a link so we know more about it. But this is a ride, even if they post the results and even if the people at the front are racing. You could win the thing and you would still be cat 5. This is also a ride but it might not be what OP is talking about since it doesn't mention single speeds.

I had forgotten that a lot of events have multiple lap options so my claim that "races" don't have multiple lengths was just off base.

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This is also a ride but it might not be what OP is talking about since it doesn't mention single speeds.
That's what I WAS going to enter, since it's just a century ride, but then the owner of my LBS said "Hey there's this race on the same day and they have an SS category I can enter you in if you'd like a race rather than a ride." I'll find the website for you, my LBS told me about it today, I'll get more info when I go back later in the week.

Just got the bike and took her for a 6 mile spin. Really nice! Needs more gear inches IF I decide to do a race rather than a ride, because flats are PAINFUL and the hills we have around here are not too bad and never very long. I will also be putting a new seat on before I do much more than a 20 mile ride because my nether regions are NOT happy at all!
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What gear inches? I'm using my track bike right now for road time trial and I'm loving it. I'm using anywhere from 73gi to 80gi and 75gi is about perfect for the local road time trials. If your race is hilly then you don't want to big of a gearing. What I've learned so far when using a ss for a race on the road you need to attack hard on the hills and use the descents to recover. Good luck on your race and let us know how you do.
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What gear inches? I'm using my track bike right now for road time trial and I'm loving it. I'm using anywhere from 73gi to 80gi and 75gi is about perfect for the local road time trials. If your race is hilly then you don't want to big of a gearing. What I've learned so far when using a ss for a race on the road you need to attack hard on the hills and use the descents to recover. Good luck on your race and let us know how you do.
It's 67.3gi. I think I'll leave it for the time being, having a lower gi should help me pace myself, something I am horrible at currently, but I'll need to upgrade before too long.
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It's 67.3gi. I think I'll leave it for the time being, having a lower gi should help me pace myself, something I am horrible at currently, but I'll need to upgrade before too long.
That should be a good gearing for a noob, it's your first race so take it easy on yourself plus the goal should be finishing.
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It's 67.3gi. I think I'll leave it for the time being, having a lower gi should help me pace myself, something I am horrible at currently, but I'll need to upgrade before too long.
That's a good, all round gearing and you'll find that the thing preventing you from going faster is aerodynamics and fitness, not the gearing. Your legs will also be happier spinning at that speed than trying to lug along slower. Remember, if you cop a head wind, you can't just go down a gear, though this is where drop bars are useful (going onto the drops is like a lower gear).

As for how fit you need to be. It's a reasonable rule of thumb that your total miles during the week is what you can do in one hit on the weekend. So if you want to do the 100 mile run, do 25 miles a day, then have a rest day on friday ... and pace yourself in the race/ride, getting to the end must always be your first aim.
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Be clear about this. A 100 mile charity bike ride is typically not a "race", it is a "ride". There are no prizes for coming in first and no sprinting or climbing points. A race would normally want you to get a licence and in the case of a legitimate road race there would be no one with a single speed whatsoever. As for completing a charity ride, they are usually fun and often a good way to get a personal distance record. There is support for the ride and you are contributing to a charity. Completing 100 miles is not difficult if you are in shape. It is not like running a marathon. It is much more like a 15 or 18 mile hike you just have to be able to keep pedalling for a long time. I would go out on your own on a couple of long rides by yourself to see how you feel before selecting a distance.
It's legal to enter a TT with a fixed gear, just have to throw front and rear brakes on the bike.

Outside of track or an event like the redhook crit, fixed is illegal in mass start races.
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It sounds like a fun activity, I'd suggest going for the 50. Sure you already know you can handle that distance, but as you said, this is a race and you are going to want to push yourself to go faster. As a first timer to the event, it would be an achievable distance and at the same time not over-before-you-know-it short like the 25 would be.

If after you are done you feel like you could have done more, then you know what to do for next year/next race.
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It sounds like a fun activity, I'd suggest going for the 50. Sure you already know you can handle that distance, but as you said, this is a race and you are going to want to push yourself to go faster. As a first timer to the event, it would be an achievable distance and at the same time not over-before-you-know-it short like the 25 would be.

If after you are done you feel like you could have done more, then you know what to do for next year/next race.
I'm thinking about that, especially because I am not confident my pace is quick enough to even finish in the 8 hours they have allotted. On my 20 mile rides I'm only averaging 12 to 14 miles per hour. Both of those allow for a 100 miles in 8 hours, but that's before stopping and not factoring in that I'll be slowing down as I go, probably. My LBS said I had a few weeks to decide, so I'll see about pushing my pace, because I don't think I have, plus yesterday's ride was after sleeping 4 hours. But more likely than not, I'll be doing a 50 mile.

The plus side is that I'm doing a few other centuries in the next few months too. Also a 4 day tour of Mass., which should be fun and averages between 50 and 70 miles a day.
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On my 20 mile rides I'm only averaging 12 to 14 miles per hour.
Well, you aren't going to win anything, but generally riding in a group is a lot faster than riding by yourself. You should try to find a club ride to join to have more experience riding with others.
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Well, it's been a week since I started riding. I rode 50 miles today. I am NOT entering the race! I will instead be doing that ride mentioned above. I only managed to keep a 12 mph pace average. I am not even sure if I can do the century ride at that pace before everyone is done and leaving, it starts at 7am and they begin the clean up at 3:30pm, which only gives me 8 and a half hours to finish, and at a 12 mph pace I'd be pushing it, especially considering I hit a HUGE wall at mile 40 and my pace dipped off.
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Well, it's been a week since I started riding. I rode 50 miles today. I am NOT entering the race! I will instead be doing that ride mentioned above. I only managed to keep a 12 mph pace average. I am not even sure if I can do the century ride at that pace before everyone is done and leaving, it starts at 7am and they begin the clean up at 3:30pm, which only gives me 8 and a half hours to finish, and at a 12 mph pace I'd be pushing it, especially considering I hit a HUGE wall at mile 40 and my pace dipped off.

Before your hopes and dreams are too completely crushed, was that 50 miles without stopping? Or, was it 50 miles of playing in traffic? Racing or just leisure riding, it makes a HUGE difference when you don't have to stop and restart over and over. Also, is that a 12mph moving average, or overall average? (are you including time spent stopped for signs and lights in your calculation?) Your average speed (moving speed) over a given distance will also be much faster if you don't have to stop.

(It's also good to carry honey, or hammer gel, or snacks of some kind with you to keep your blood sugar and your energy levels up)

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Forget about the race. Just do the 50 mile ride. You know you can do that mileage. Join a cycling club and keep riding. 12 mph is really slow, even if you are by yourself. You should still be in the 18 mph range if you are reasonably fit for that kind of mileage, but don't expect it to happen over night. We you some kind of distance athlete previously that you thought you would be in shape for this?
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Before your hopes and dreams are too completely crushed, was that 50 miles without stopping? Or, was it 50 miles of playing in traffic? Racing or just leisure riding, it makes a HUGE difference when you don't have to stop and restart over and over. Also, is that a 12mph moving average, or overall average? (are you including time spent stopped for signs and lights in your calculation?) Your average speed (moving speed) over a given distance will also be much faster if you don't have to stop.

(It's also good to carry honey, or hammer gel, or snacks of some kind with you to keep your blood sugar and your energy levels up)
It was actually with a ten minute stop in at the local LBS for an under saddle seat, a stop at a convenient store for water, a few newton, and some caffeine, and a stop right before I got back to grab a few things I needed. Also, a little bit of stopping, but not too much. And it's overall.

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Forget about the race. Just do the 50 mile ride. You know you can do that mileage. Join a cycling club and keep riding. 12 mph is really slow, even if you are by yourself. You should still be in the 18 mph range if you are reasonably fit for that kind of mileage, but don't expect it to happen over night. We you some kind of distance athlete previously that you thought you would be in shape for this?
If I jump in the pool I can swim 3 miles at a go, so yeah I have some distance work behind me. I also squat 450 and have a resting HR of 55. I'm a bit overweight, even with my muscle, but I'm very much in shape.
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Swimming isn't riding a bike.

On the same side of the coin, I can ride a century without any trouble but can't jog to save my life.
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It was actually with a ten minute stop in at the local LBS for an under saddle seat, a stop at a convenient store for water, a few newton, and some caffeine, and a stop right before I got back to grab a few things I needed. Also, a little bit of stopping, but not too much. And it's overall.
So, 50 miles of playing in traffic, then. I promise you'll make much, MUCH better time if you ride without stopping. You'll feel less tired, too.
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So, 50 miles of playing in traffic, then. I promise you'll make much, MUCH better time if you ride without stopping. You'll feel less tired, too.
How about rain? It went from mist to torrential downpour and maintained at a steady rain with some significant flooding on the road most of my ride. I found the rain, except the torrential stuff and when I was hitting 30+mph to be a refreshing and cooling delight, but it may have slowed me down some.
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You're thinking about it too much. You're probably smart not to do the race, but just do the 50 mile ride and have fun. So what if they've packed up when you get there, you'll have ridden your bike further than many ever do and you'll have learned something for next time. Get out and enjoy the challenge.
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How about rain? It went from mist to torrential downpour and maintained at a steady rain with some significant flooding on the road most of my ride. I found the rain, except the torrential stuff and when I was hitting 30+mph to be a refreshing and cooling delight, but it may have slowed me down some.
Rain may slow you down some, and it's a good idea to be cautious when it's wet and slippery, but not at all as much as stop-n-go riding. I ride to work, and my cycle computer usually reports and average speed of 16-17 mph for the trip. If I ride the same distance start to finish without stopping I can easily do it at 20mph (or faster! depending on weather) Lisen to @europa, just go and enjoy the ride. I think you'll do well enough to surprise yourself.
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I think you may be right, who cares if they are there when I get back. It's still a long ride.

One question, any suggestion on getting a long, non- or limited stop ride in? Just hit up the country roads?
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