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Old 07-10-14, 11:11 AM   #1
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I need a new rear wheel, preferably from QBP. Any suggestions?

First off, here's a little backstory - I work at an LBS and today I was putting a new crankset and cog on my bike (Windsor the Hour, hardly stock) and I noticed when I was pulling off my cog and lockring that the cog threads on my hub are in pretty bad shape, not stripped, but I feel like I should replace it asap. The wheels I have are nothing special. DP18s laced to whatever hub (taken off a 2010 Raleigh Rush Hour) and I don't think it would really be worth it to lace a new hub to that rim. I got 'em pretty cheap off a coworker and I'm not to attached to them. I'm no weight weenie but I wouldn't mind shaving some grams off my ride as well. We, like most LBS in the area, get parts and stuff from QBP so I was looking at some of the wheels they offer. I was kind of wanting to build up a wheel, but I've never done it before and would save some time and money just buying a new complete one. Cost is somewhat important, but I don't want another crappy hub to fail me. Here are some of my options from QBP (other LBS employees can maybe weigh in here?):

Velocity Aero laced to 36h Dimension Fixed/Free with DT Champion spokes

Velocity Deep V laced to 32h All City Fixed/Fixed with DT Competition spokes - a little on the high end of my budget

Mavic CPX33 laced to 32h Surly Fixed/Free with DT Competition spokes

Those are the three I'm most considering. There's also the ultra cheapie we have in the store but I don't want to waste more time and money on crappy wheels. Unless the Mavic is a really awesome wheel, I would prefer not to go that route because it doesn't really agree with the aesthetics of the rest of my bike (I know, crappy reason, whatever.)

The type of riding I do is mostly on the streets. I occasionally do tarcky things like skids and wheelies, so durability is a factor, but I'm hardly riding "freestyle".

Am I better off pinching some pennies and building up a wheel? I do have the stock wheels from the Hour that I put on my conversion so I have something I could use in a pinch, but I still want to invest in something nicer. I know what wheel threads are a dime a dozen, but I couldn't find much info on the pre-built Quality wheels so I need some opinions. Thanks in advance.
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H+Son Archetypes to Formula/Surly ?
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Old 07-10-14, 12:20 PM   #3
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I was looking for something prebuilt, and I don't think that is offered at QBP (employee discounts ya dig?).

If I were to build one up I was thinking a H+Son TB14 laced to a Velo Orange Grand Cru hub. I kind of want to go for something more box-section as I think it looks classier than deep rims, but I am in no way opposed to the deeps.
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QBP does custom wheel builds.

Also, why are you limiting yourself to QBP? Is that the only distributor your shop uses?
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I had one of those Velocity Aero/Dimension hub wheels and it was very nice except for the straight gauge spokes lack of braking track (I have a rear brake)
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As far as I know QBP is our only/main distributer. How does the custom wheel build work? Does it cost the same as if I were to build a wheel myself? If so this might be a good opportunity to learn how to build.
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It's extremely easy to go on the QBP dealer site and figure it out.
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Build it yourself. Not only is it dead easy but surely it's embarrassing working in a bike shop and not knowing how to (am I showing my age again?)
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Build it yourself. Not only is it dead easy but surely it's embarrassing working in a bike shop and not knowing how to (am I showing my age again?)
OP probably isn't a mechanic.
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OP probably isn't a mechanic.
The mechanic at my lbs reckons I'm not a mechanic either
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i associate mechanic with vehicles. i am or was a mechanic, worked on vehicles for a living and was going to go school for it but now i cook for a living lol. So am i not a mechanic?
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i associate mechanic with vehicles. i am or was a mechanic, worked on vehicles for a living and was going to go school for it but now i cook for a living lol. So am i not a mechanic?
Why not, the mechanic at my lbs calls me a butcher
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OP probably isn't a mechanic.
If he can't figure out how to use the QBP site he probably shouldn't attempt building a wheel anyway.
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i associate mechanic with vehicles. i am or was a mechanic, worked on vehicles for a living and was going to go school for it but now i cook for a living lol. So am i not a mechanic?
No, You're someone who used to be a mechanic.

I worked for 15 years as a screen printer and am now a bike shop owner/operator. I don't go around telling people I'm a screen printer.
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I guess I didn't really look into the custom wheel building on QBP. Now that I am it is stupidly easy, I feel dumb.

I am a mechanic in the sense that I put together boxed bikes and fix things for people that come in (brake adjust, tire swap, etc.) and do all the work on my own bike, but we don't get a lot of people in for wheel builds. If they do want a custom wheel they always talk to our veteran mechanic and he's pretty much the only person who builds wheels for customers. It's not really a detrimental skill to have where I am.

Anyhow, sorry for being stupid about the custom wheel building on QBP. By the looks of it I will save some money and get the wheelset I initially wanted and lace them up myself. I'll let you all know how that goes when I'm all done. Thanks for the help.
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I was only razzing you, dude.
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It's fun once you get a hang of it.
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Yer cool Thurber. You'll note that we don't let any opportunity to stir someone go by. We're also aware that the most obvious of solutions are easily overlooked.

I'd recommend giving wheel building a go, especially as you've got a mechanic on hand to bail you out if you get it wrong. Building wheels is intensely satisfying and if you're willing to take your time, very relaxing. While pro-mechanics probably build a wheel in an hour, I settle myself in front of television, lace both wheels one night and tension them the next. There's a wheel builder here in Adelaide who reckons she treats wheel building like her mother treats knitting, just something relaxing to do with a useful product at the other end.

On the other hand, if you see a set of prebuilt wheels you like, why not buy them, there's nothing gospel about building it yourself though hand built wheels put a more personal stamp on the bike (which no-one can see except you of course). You'll still need to retension and retrue the wheels anyway.
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I've done enough searching and lurking around this forum to know that you guys like to get a rise out of people, and I know it's all in good fun. Sometimes people take it too seriously/personally and that's their fault. I joke around with my friends like that all the time, I will just view this as the hazing/initiation phase!

I am definitely planning on building up my own wheels. I sewed some foot toe straps for myself so I could stop using clips and it was a very rewarding project, albeit very frustrating (first time using a sewing machine since 7th grade home-ec class!), but a good time nonetheless. A few of the guys around the shop have built their own wheels and the head mechanic there is an incredibly helpful resource, so I will have help should I run into problems on my own.

As far as wheels go, I'm pretty set on TB14s for rims. I see that Scrod has them on his Bareknuckle, and that's all the endorsement I need, but I'm still undecided on hubs. Does anyone here have first-hand experience with the Velo Orange Grand Cru or All City New Sheriffs? I have an All City crankset and cog and I've been very happy with them, so I was considering getting their hubs to round out my drive train, but a friend of mine that lives in MPLS has a Grand Cru wheelset that he's very happy with and they look awesome to boot.
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My mechanic told me best way to learn is get a crappy wheel (though one that can be true) and take it apart and then put it back together. That is my plan along with Zinn's Road Bike guide and Sheldon Brown. If you screw up on the crappy wheel no big deal but you screw up with those nice new Archetypes and Phil Hubs (at least that is my plan) it could be 'spensive.
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My mechanic told me best way to learn is get a crappy wheel (though one that can be true) and take it apart and then put it back together. That is my plan along with Zinn's Road Bike guide and Sheldon Brown. If you screw up on the crappy wheel no big deal but you screw up with those nice new Archetypes and Phil Hubs (at least that is my plan) it could be 'spensive.
You're not likely to ruin anything more than nipples. Having said that, I started by redishing wheels during el-cheapo conversions so maybe I don't know. The problem with the crappy wheel approach is that you'll have buggered nipples with mangled spokes trying to pull into line warped rims - this can actually be hard enough to make it not worth the effort as once things get ratty, it can be very hard to sort them out. On the other hand, good rims with new spokes tend to build round and true on their own making the learning process much easier.

Whatever. I think both approaches work. Probably the best 'first' wheel is an okay rim to a mid-range hub with new spokes and nipples, thing is, there has to be a need for this wheel. I was lucky with my first full build, a mate wanted a wheel for his new fixed gear and was game enough to let me try.
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