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    Lightweight steel frame recommendations

    So I kinda bought a IRO Mark V Pro Frameset to replace my frame
    (too small I'm riding like a 56 maybe and I'm 6'6), but it seems like they fell off the face of the planet as i am unable to contact them, there is no change in order status and the charges on my account are just pending. Because of this, I guess I am now again looking for a frame set.

    I pretty much settled on the idea of having a lightweight steel frame (like the Reynolds 631 steel) for a few reasons:

    Location: I commute with my bike in Chicago. As much as I avoid it there are a lot of bumps and potholes.

    Price: I just want to swap out the frame and maybe the fork if it is a set. If I was to go to aluminum, I feel like I would need to get a carbon fiber fork and seat post so I wouldn't be vibrating all day.

    Durability: As much as I could, I don't want to treat my bike as if i am riding an egg... I beat my bike up a little and I'm ok with that.

    Steal-ability: I don't want anything too flashy, too much of an attention drawer... I feel like aluminum frames do that.. I want something low key nice. Something that a thief who knows his **** might steal but to an average thief doesn't look like too much.


    Do people have recommendation on good valued light weight steel frames? By good value i mean low-moderate price with moderate quality (not **** quality).




    A few extra notes:

    It would be nice if the bottom bracket was 68mm shell so I don't have to get a new bottom bracket.. Although thats not that expensive... i care more about keeping the same crank set I currently have.

    It would be nice if it would be drilled for a front break.. I like having extra stopping power if something unexpected pops out.. (back break is optional)

    It would be great if the seat post was 27.2 mm just so I wouldn't have to buy a new one

    Same with the fork size, would be great if it was 1 1/8.. but thats not an issue if its a frame set.. also if it was just a frame, I heard its easy to adapt



    I feel.. so... picky....

    lol!
    sorry...

    any opinions?
    Open to new ideas as well!

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    I feel like a mod is going to yell at me for something... haha

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    What, Me Worry? - Alfred E. Neuman

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    I'd like to think i have as much money as brains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
    This.



    You won't find a "light" steel frame for cheap. THe nicer the tubing, the more energy and time they put into making it perfect and beautiful. Maybe a Leader 722 Heritage?
    Just my 2˘.

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    I was going to say wabi as well. It also has the 27.2mm seatpost and I'm pretty sure all your other parts will fit as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by murrellington View Post
    I was going to say wabi as well. It also has the 27.2mm seatpost and I'm pretty sure all your other parts will fit as well.
    Also, it includes a good quality sealed headset, so you won't need to buy one. Many framesets don't include a headset.
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    Another option would be a Bareknuckle. They fit everything you are looking for and they run so you'd easily fit a 60 or 62cm. New they cost a little more but they pop up on craigslist all of the time for $350-$450 for frame/fork in good-to-great condition. Bareknuckle's have pretty tight track geo and are relatively tall compared to other frames. I'm pretty sure Wabi's have more of a road bike geo, if you prefer that sorta thing.
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    Nice to know about the headset TT. I can cross that off my to-buy list. I'm planning on buying the wabi frame as soon as I can.

    And yeah bareknuckle and wabi both have completely different geo's so it depends what you are after. If you like a comfortable relaxed geo go for wabi. Also at the price you can't beat it.

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    I say Wabi Lightning.

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    I'm curious to know his budget. Because wabi lightning would be nice but if nearly 800 is too much to shell out for a frame, then the classic is a fine alternative

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    I'd be looking at a used road bike frame. Japanese road bikes from the 80's with good quality tubing can still be had cheaply.

    I converted a 70's Raleigh into a nice fixie with a more upright riding geometry than most racing bikes but it felt very nice. Built my wife a nice Fixte (fixed gear mixte) with an 80's Peugeot frame I got for $25.





    It's fun and not too difficult to build your own bike. sheldonbrown.com has some good info on how to do it cheaply.

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    Those are all good recommendations and @bbattle your white bike looks great...

    But OP, it appears like you placed your order with IRO yesterday or Tues? Why don't you give him a minute or 2 to get your frame out before you panic? The guy whose thread from a month ago asking about IRO's status, in which you also posted, obviously knows how to find this place and has not come back to complain about non-delivery. I'm of the opinion that you have a good shot at receiving what you ordered from IRO, and considering that not very long ago, they were pretty highly regarded - that frame for the price is not a bad deal at all.

    Good luck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
    In all likelyhood the Wabi will be too small. Biggest size is 61cm with a 58cm top tube, it's going to be cramped. tallpeopleproblems
    Last edited by hairnet; 08-07-14 at 07:09 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatMonkey View Post
    Price: I just want to swap out the frame and maybe the fork if it is a set. If I was to go to aluminum, I feel like I would need to get a carbon fiber fork and seat post so I wouldn't be vibrating all day.
    I just don't remember how we survived a couple decades of aluminum frames...


    Oh wait I do a decent saddle and sane air pressure in the tires...

    A cheap steel frame will like ride just a stiff and buzzy as an aluminum frame. If you want cheap then buy aluminum because quality steel is more expensive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IAmSam View Post
    Those are all good recommendations and @bbattle your white bike looks great...

    But OP, it appears like you placed your order with IRO yesterday or Tues? Why don't you give him a minute or 2 to get your frame out before you panic? The guy whose thread from a month ago asking about IRO's status, in which you also posted, obviously knows how to find this place and has not come back to complain about non-delivery. I'm of the opinion that you have a good shot at receiving what you ordered from IRO, and considering that not very long ago, they were pretty highly regarded - that frame for the price is not a bad deal at all.

    Good luck...

    I think you might have a good line of though...
    oh and I guess I misread that post, yea it appears as if he ordered them and was waiting for them...
    hmmm
    LOL
    Yea its just I shop for a lot of clothes online and I am used to quick responses and quick ship outs...

    yea another member recommended waiting a week... I might do that....

    Thanks for presenting me with another perspective!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hairnet View Post
    in all likelyhood the wabi will be too small. Biggest size is 61cm with a 58cm top tube, it's going to be cramped. Tallpeopleproblems

    tall people problems <-----

    that

    Last edited by TopHatMonkey; 08-07-14 at 01:57 PM. Reason: mt

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    Quote Originally Posted by hairnet View Post
    In all likelyhood the Wabi will be too small. Biggest size is 61cm with a 58cm top tube, it's going to be cramped. tallpeopleproblems
    I was just snoopin' around the IRO site to see if I could contact them and took a peek at the framestets. I looked at the geometry and I think TopHatMonkey may find the IRO too small as well. The "62cm" has a seat tube c-c of only 56cm and a top tube of only 59cm. Head tube seems short too at 178mm. Uh oh.

    A "fixed only" take on our most affordable frame. Reynolds 631 steel tubing. Fixed only. 1 1/8" threadless fork. Front brake mount. No cable stops, no bottle mounts. 120mm rear drop-outs. Accepts up to 700x28cc tires. Bottom Bracket 68mm shell. Seatpost 27.2. Frame weight 3.9lb size 56cm.

    Size S/T C-C T/T Length H/T Angle S/T Angle H/T Length Wheel Base B/B Drop C/S Length Stand Over
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    53cm 49 cm 54 cm 72.0° 73.0° 10 cm 95.7 cm 5 cm 39.1 cm 30”
    56cm 52 cm 55.5 cm 73.0° 73.0° 12.5 cm 96 cm 5 cm 39.1 cm 31”
    59cm 55 cm 57 cm 74.0° 73.0° 15 cm 96.6 cm 5 cm 39.1 cm 32”
    62cm 56 cm 59 cm 75.0° 73.0° 17.8 cm 97.5 cm 5 cm 39.1 cm 33.5”

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    Quote Originally Posted by SquidPuppet View Post
    I was just snoopin' around the IRO site to see if I could contact them and took a peek at the framestets. I looked at the geometry and I think TopHatMonkey may find the IRO too small as well. The "62cm" has a seat tube c-c of only 56cm and a top tube of only 59cm. Head tube seems short too at 178mm. Uh oh.
    How long do you recommend it be?
    I feel doomed to ride something too small for me.
    On the up side, I have an extended steam... It helps on my current bike.. hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatMonkey View Post
    How long do you recommend it be?
    I feel doomed to ride something too small for me.
    On the up side, I have an extended steam... It helps on my current bike.. hahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatMonkey View Post
    How long do you recommend it be?
    I feel doomed to ride something too small for me.
    On the up side, I have an extended steam... It helps on my current bike.. hahaha
    I can't make a recommendation because I believe that there are too many geometric and personal variables involved. That said, a professional bike fitter would say that I am riding a bike that is far too big for me. I am exactly six foot tall with normal/average proportions and I feel uncomfortably cramped as hell on a 56cm seat tube.

    I saw that you are 6'6" and my gut said..........

    Seems odd that IRO labels a bike 62cm when neither the seat nor top tube are anywhere near that.

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    I built a bike on BikeCad using the exact IRO dimensions. I used my saddle to crank spindle measurement and added 3 inches, which is half of the difference between you and I, and set your saddle height there. This is what the bike would look like with a 140mm stem.



    56x59.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by SquidPuppet View Post
    I built a bike on BikeCad using the exact IRO dimensions. I used my saddle to crank spindle measurement and added 3 inches, which is half of the difference between you and I, and set your saddle height there. This is what the bike would look like with a 140mm stem.



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    Excuse me for my ignorance, what does this tell me >~<"""

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    Quote Originally Posted by TopHatMonkey View Post
    Excuse me for my ignorance, what does this tell me >~<"""
    Do you know your saddle top to crank spindle measurement?
    Do you know your comfortable saddle to handlebar drop measurement?

    Gimmie those and I can show you what that would really look like, and more importantly, what you'd have to do with stem and spacers to achieve that fit on that IRO frame.

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    Going to go measure/ bring my bike up because its been outside for too long (thought I was going to ride today so I locked it up outside)
    Get ready to laugh at its size. ^~^

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