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Old 04-01-05, 12:02 PM   #1
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IRO frame in.

It showed this morning. Very nice. I believe it will get picked over the old Trek. Pretty light to.
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"Made in" sticker reads....?
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"Made in" sticker reads....?
point...

guess all the things in life you use are all made in the usa....everything....

lucky bastard, try as i may, i still have to buy things that are not 100% american made...but as long as its not made with child labor or in sweatshops, and doesn't f=*k too many people over in the manufactoring process, its fine by me...

btw

i love my mark v...and roi has been more than i could have ever imagined.....

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rev....where the pics....i have a pic of mine in the shipping box.....
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rev, i get off work at six i'd like to check out the frame(s) if you'll still be there?
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Excuse me Mr. Reverend -

Just out of curiosity, what size IRO frame did you get, and how tall is your wife? I'm looking at picking one up, and was curious about the sizing related to females. We've got those long legs/shorter torsos to deal with.
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gannon, I will be here until seven.

Essy, this is the smallest one, I think they call it a 50 but it measures 47 center to top of tube and the top tube is 52 center to center. I stuck some wheels on it and got 28.5" clearance with no tires, so maybe 29 inches with 23s mounted.
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guess all the things in life you use are all made in the usa....everything....

No point, just curious. And no, I have a Moto and a Raleigh, too. My company is just going through relocation to China right now, bitter I guess.

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colinm, this is a tiawan made frame. She will probably ride it infrequently as she has a bad derailuer addiction. If She were going to ride it everyday I would have had an Independent Fabrications made for her. As it is, it is pretty hard to get an all US bike any way. Only a couple of decent US makers, none are affordable(cheap ) and almost no parts. Rims, hubs, brakes, bars, very little has a made in the USA sticker. I do have several C-dales, an EWR, and an old plymouth van if that counts.
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Aren't most treks made in the USA? Except trek doesn't make a ss/track bike....
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bitter I guess.
i guess i shouldn't be so harsh but i get that you should buy american crap a lot living out here..i guess i'm bitter too....


besides tony from iro cruises these forums all the time.....a hint....his signature has something about a bluefish in it....in case forum folks haven't figured it out....
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Aren't most treks made in the USA? Except trek doesn't make a ss/track bike....
Most TREK bikes are made in China and Tiawan. Have been for years. Only the higher end stuff is made stateside.
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Most TREK bikes are made in China and Tiawan. Have been for years. Only the high end stuff is made stateside.
I saw a made in USA sticker on a trek 520 (touring) today, but that's weird becuase trek 520's aren't that high end, right?
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Back in the day Trek's were all built in the US but that's been a while, back when they were a small volume manufacturer producing high-end bikes. Since they've become one of the (or is it just "the") biggest bike manufacturers in the world, they face the same cost pressures as everyone else. Only the top end machines are still handbuilt in the US.
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you can build a bike to 99% completion overseas, bring it stateside to throw on a coat of paint, and label it "made in USA"
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i get that you should buy american crap a lot living out here..i guess i'm bitter too...
wow, that's a crazy statement! That really says alot about the writer.


Alot of bikes have a big "designed in USA" or "assembled in USA" sign with a much smaller "made in china" sticker on the frame. That really pisses me off. On the other hand I have an old steyr 10 speed that says made in austria on the headbadge and made in germany stamped on the brake bridge in the back.

When I first learned about IRO I emailed them and they very quickly replied that their frames were made in Taiwan. I'm glad he's not trying to hide anything. Basically what it all comes down to is if you want inexpensive stuff you should avoid environmental and labor standards and try not to pay people too much, but if everyone thought that way there'd be no Vanillas, no circle As, no Waterfords even. It's interesting that everyone thinks tony is a great guy (and I have no reason to believe that he isn't a genuinely nice guy) when really he's just a really (relatively) small fixed gear version of specialized. Business model wise anyway.

I have a really tough time buying anything these days.

I am also still considering the IRO cyclocross when it goes gold.
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Basically what it all comes down to is if you want inexpensive stuff you should avoid environmental and labor standards...
True, but the USA is still the world's #1 polluter, even with all the EPA "standards", etc that we have...
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Yes, and your LBS is just a small version of a Wal-Mart sports department. Sometimes you draw the line in the sand and say, "this far and no more."
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I have yet to see aguy in Walmart that can chat with you about gear inches best suited for the local terain and the most durable yet light tires while he faces your frame and installs the headset and BB and then helps you figure out what shoes are the best fit and then tells you where all the good singletrack, legal and otherwise within a fifty mile radius is.
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Yes, and I have yet to see the local Specialized dealer meet me at his house where I buy a cog and then he drives me back to the ferry on his dime so I can make my way back home.

I think you missed my point entirely.
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I used to have a solid anti- 'made in china' policy but I had to give it up when I bought a computer.
It's funny that you mention Walmart, BTrevor, because I was thinking about making the argument that walmart just 'streamlines' the distribution and sales department like tony 'streamlined' the manufacturing end. But then I figured that alot of people here (like everywhere) shop at walmart and I didn't want to get into it and called an elitist or such rightwing nonsense.

I make a point of knowing where almost everything I buy comes from and it becomes a consideration, like price, like the store I'm shopping in, in the decision to buy something or not. I do think that it's really important that people know where their products originate and understand their place (our place) in the outsourcing of our manufacturing base.

BTW, I have no problem with people shopping at walmart when that's the only place they can afford to shop. I do have a problem when people can afford to buy things at locally owned stores and/or things that are made in the USA but care about price too much, or even worse, don't care at all.

Often we use reverend Chuck's reasoning - if she's going to use it every day he'd get an Independent Fab frame, but since she won't use it that often it's not worth the extra money. Is that an economic decision? and asthethic one? It doesn't sound like a socially concious one (not picking on you chuck, just trying to flesh this out)

I have a fight with myself everytime I buy something from nashbar instead of from harris cyclery or from a local shop. I use convenience to justify it alot of the time, but I do carry alot of guilt. Riding usually clears my head for a bit...
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What can I say, if you called me Walmart to my face I would ***** slap you so hard the cops would get prints off your face.
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True, but the USA is still the world's #1 polluter, even with all the EPA "standards", etc that we have...
That's because we're better at pollution than anybody else, and we got a great head start.

(the following is not directed at anyone in particular)
Who do you think runs a cleaner operation, the factory making IRO frames or the one making cannondales? which workers are treated better and work in safer conditions? If your wife or child had to work in one, which would it be? I'm not sure, but I'll bet it's the US company.

I would guess that chinese industrial pollution is making some serious gains if they haven't passed us already. Long before we backed out of the kyoto treaty China was refusing any attempts to create international pollution control standards because it would stall their econmic growth. Back then the US was leading the charge in environmental advocacy, but it was as if we had gotten our major polution causing industrial development out of the way first and it was not a little hypocritical to tell other countries that they couldn't develop the way we had, that theyt needed to clean their act up. Now, of course we (the US) don't care as long as they keep making $30 VCRs.

I also want to take a moment to apologize for this and the previous post. I'm sorry and I won't do it again. Let's go back to talking about the IRO.
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P.S. I have had customers interupt my dinner, at home, to have stuff worked on right now because they were leaving for a race the next morning.

"Yes, and I have yet to see the local Specialized dealer meet me at his house where I buy a cog and then he drives me back to the ferry on his dime so I can make my way back home."
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What can I say, if you called me Walmart to my face I would ***** slap you so hard the cops would get prints off your face.
you'd be right to do so. But don't forget that walmart is where they are today because people care more about price than they do about their communities or their country. If I called you walmart, you'd slap me, then the majority of americans would happily stomp me to pieces. That's why I'd use very careful phrasing.
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