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    Track ends & aluminum full fenders

    I'm researching options for a new wet-weather commuter. Currently, the most appealing option is the new disc brake version of the All-City Nature Boy, which has track ends and fender mounts. I'd like to use the PDW Full Metal Fenders on it, and it's just occurred to me that this combination of features may cause some complications.

    I'm replacing an older Fuji that I rebuilt from the frame up as a single-speed conversion. Being an older road bike, it had semi-horizontal dropouts. With fenders mounted, the clearances were slightly tight, and the tire had to be partially deflated to get the wheel on and off, so it's not the end of the world if I have to continue doing things that way. I've also read about using the plastic quick disconnect things that are normally used for front fenders, but is that still a reasonable thing to do with metal fenders?

    FWIW, I'm intending to use Schwalbe Marathon tires (and some sort of studded tires for the winter), and eventually convert to an internally geared hub.

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    No experiences with metal fenders on bicycle, but a friend did try the fender qr on the back of a kilo wt with some plastic fenders. He eventually took the fenders off and put them back on his old conversion to re-dedicate as his rain/snow bike. I do have experience with discs in rain and snow. I only recommend them for if you have a huge hill with a stop at tue bottom on your regular route. Salt wrecks pads. Dust on the rotors is everpresent and causes howling and squeeling. My disc bike is now trails-only. Kool-stop salmon pads on any rim brake other than single-pivot caliper is what has worked best for me in Syracuse winters.

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    I'm thinking that track ends and full fenders would be a BIG PITA for roadside flat repairs.

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    My original rain bike build had a front drum brake hub, for complete isolation from wet conditions. Ideally, I wanted to do the same again, but it looks like the best route for me to go, for the features I'm after, is a modern disc-equipped bike. It looks like everything else that comes close is set up with canti studs, which would end up being left unused, and looking funny. I specifically don't want rim brakes, because they can get a little scary when it's snowy/slushy.

    Necessary, non-negotiable features:
    Non-rim brakes
    Full fenders
    Rear rack
    Single speed chainline
    Drop handlebars
    Steel frame & fork

    Theoretically, I could do another conversion, but it would mean doing that for the third time, which I'd rather not do if it can be avoided.

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    Oh, also - the internally geared hub I'm planning to eventually use has an OLD of 135mm. A conversion would mean having the dropouts spread.

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    Surly Crosscheck + your drums? It has 132.5 rear spacing.

    Unlike drums, discs still need to be constantly feathered on and off just like rim brakes to keep them warm and dryish in traffic when water is flying. Cantis worked really well for me last winter after I shelved my disc bike. When I was considering drums, the guys at my lbs said that I could still use dorps if I used v-brake levers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattoftheRocks View Post
    Surly Crosscheck + your drums? It has 132.5 rear spacing.

    Unlike drums, discs still need to be constantly feathered on and off just like rim brakes to keep them warm and dryish in traffic when water is flying. Cantis worked really well for me last winter after I shelved my disc bike. When I was considering drums, the guys at my lbs said that I could still use dorps if I used v-brake levers.
    CC has canti studs, so it's not really ideal. I had no issues using Cane Creek SCR5 levers and interrupter levers with the 90mm Sturmey Archer drum hub I was using before. That bike was totaled after a collision with a car a few weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by agmetal View Post
    CC has canti studs, so it's not really ideal. I had no issues using Cane Creek SCR5 levers and interrupter levers with the 90mm Sturmey Archer drum hub I was using before. That bike was totaled after a collision with a car a few weeks ago.
    Cool on the levers, bummer on the wreck. I'm in a similar situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SquidPuppet View Post
    I'm thinking that track ends and full fenders would be a BIG PITA for roadside flat repairs.
    This is the major problem. Use slime tubes and puncture resistant tires to minimize flats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    This is the major problem. Use slime tubes and puncture resistant tires to minimize flats.
    It's not a problem if you provide sufficient clearance between the rear of the rear fender and the tire. I've got full fenders on my Kilo WT with a 700x35c rear tire set up this way such that I can remove or install the rear wheel with the tire fully inflated.
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    I'd like to think i have as much money as brains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    This is the major problem. Use slime tubes and puncture resistant tires to minimize flats.
    I'll be using Schwalbe Marathons, at least to start. Undecided between Nokian/Schwalbe for studs in the winter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
    It's not a problem if you provide sufficient clearance between the rear of the rear fender and the tire. I've got full fenders on my Kilo WT with a 700x35c rear tire set up this way such that I can remove or install the rear wheel with the tire fully inflated.
    B-b-b-but the fenderline! The horrors!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnDThompson View Post
    B-b-b-but the fenderline! The horrors!
    Really ?

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    I'd like to think i have as much money as brains.

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    That fender is not long enough for my use and the spacing is uneven. Surly Straggler is the bike the OP wants

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    I've looked at the Straggler...while it does seem like it would be generally well-suited to my purposes (although I'd rather have the rear caliper between the stays...), I think it would put me too far over-budget. I'd have to buy the frameset, and then everything else separately, since the complete would be geared with STI, so I'd end up spending a bunch of money on extra stuff that would end up being taken off and I'd still have to buy more parts. The Nature Boy Disc as a complete gets me most of the way there, and then I really just need to add stuff (fenders, rack, that sort of thing).

    A friend suggested looking up the Kilo WT as a starting point, and actually that looks like it would be really good for a drum-based build, except for the fact that the rear dropout spacing is only 120mm.

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    I thought sturmey did hubs in 120.... What hub are you planning on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattoftheRocks View Post
    I thought sturmey did hubs in 120.... What hub are you planning on?
    The new SA C50 series 5-speed hubs, that are scheduled to come out around the end of the year. They have a rotary selector for the gear shifting, are compatible with a new thumb shifter that should be usable with a Gevenalle CX lever, and will be available in both drum and disc versions. They're supposed to be heavier duty than the current ones, and be able to shift under load.

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    Hmm. Sound sweet. Huge bummer as far as I care that the new 853 natureboy is disc-only, but evrrybody's got to try things for themselves. If you get it and decide to eventually go back to drums, you'll have an excellent frame to drum up, it'll just have a couple of useless tabs that non-cyclists won't ever notice. If you fall in love with the discs, even better! Framewise, no one is currently offering everything that I want in the non-custom pricerange so I have to settle on a nice used frameset or bite it and sacrifice looks and/or performance (wabi/surly are highest on the list for now). I'm back to leaning towards another conversion.

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    I'm actually interested in this one, not the 853: Nature Boy Disc | All-City Cycles

    Here's the bike I'm replacing:


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    Gosh that was a beauty!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattoftheRocks View Post
    Gosh that was a beauty!
    Yep!



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    That's a nice bike! I just got a Fuji Royale II recently, I'm gonna use yours as inspiration! did you use tube clamps on the seat stays for the rack ?







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