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    Wondering about cranks/upgrading...

    I have a two-year-old Windsor "Hour." Well, sort of. Not much left except frame and cranks.

    The stock cranks seem sort of cheap and clunky, and chain line sticks out farther than 42. They look like they weigh a lot but I can't tell. "PROWHEEL FORGED CHARIOT" is stamped on them. Made in China.

    I'd like to change to a 3/2 drivetrain (and kinda want an excuse to work on my bike) but anybody know anything about this crank? Would something like a SRAM s300 be much of an upgrade?


    thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike-izle View Post
    I'd like to change to a 3/2 drivetrain
    Not sure you want to go to an inch and a half wide chain

    For street use, it doesn't really matter whether you're using 3/32 or 1/8. You can even use a 3/32 chainring with a 1/8 cog and a 1/8 chain if you like, or both 3/32 with a 1/8 chain.

    The purist in me likes everything the same - I won't change things solely to achieve things but when buying new bits for a new bike, I like to buy a complete 1/8 setup because the really heavy duty track chains come in 1/8, but it's really like deciding between colours.

    I've never dealt with SRAM but have read a lot of threads with people having troubles setting the things up. I personally have a set of Sugino cranks I got from Harris Cyclery (at a very competitive price at the time) that have given me no problems, a set of Miche Primato which are excellent and a set of RPM that work nice but have ... um ... interesting pedal threads. I've also used Sugino mtb cranks (more than satisfactory) and road cranks from the 80s and 90s, again, very good.

    You can go stupid spending money on cranksets but realistically, it's not hard to get a decent set without paying stupid money. Just don't get sucked in by fancy brand names.
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    Used and abused DA 7600 cranks can be had for less than 100 bucks off ebay. A lil tlc and those babies look better than new.

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    While you are researching cranks, don't forget to figure out what length crank arms suit you and your frame best. Doesn't make sense to get a great set of cranks only to find out the arms are too long or short. Riding style and bottom bracket height affect your options. Do you primarily ride fixed? If you do, and your style of riding includes tight cornering, you might be better served with 165mm arms. Helps to prevent pedal strike.

    Otherwise, I agree with the comments above. Some very nice vintage road bike and mountain bike cranks can be found for little money. If you try them out and don't love them, not a big loss.

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    Money's not really an object, but something like Ominums seems overkill for a bike I never use on the track.

    I'm just wondering if my current cranks are crap (seem so) and if it's worth upgrading to s300's.

    My current cranks that came with the bike are 170. My pedals have chips on the bottom edges, so I guess they've hit the ground at least a few times. Always wondered about 165's, but I'm six feet tall so I'm kinda worried they're too small.

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    Any crankset you choose will be better than the stock ones. I don't like the SRAM cranks, because they use the GXP bottom bracket that is really bad quality and will wear out quickly. The Sugino RD2 or Messenger are very good value cranks and use a conventional square taper bottom bracket. Another good choice is the Andel crankset, which is what I've used to upgrade my Motobecane Messenger, that is similar to your Windsor Hour. As to 165mm vs 170mm, you won't notice a big difference, and many riders your height use them to get a bit more cornering clearance and a higher cadence.
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    I just received the Andel deluxe crankset and it's definitely a nice upgrade from the stock cranks that came on my Fuji, which felt very flexible. I went from 170 length to 165 and haven't noticed any difference yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by franswa View Post
    I just received the Andel deluxe crankset and it's definitely a nice upgrade from the stock cranks that came on my Fuji, which felt very flexible. I went from 170 length to 165 and haven't noticed any difference yet.
    Andel seems good. Price is right. Looks nice. Track BCD. I can use old cog and chain. 46 teeth like my old crank. Is the chain line ~42 on these? My current cranks stick out a little.

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    Dear people, please stop troubling yourself worrying about a "perfect" 42mm chainline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bike-izle View Post
    Andel seems good. Price is right. Looks nice. Track BCD. I can use old cog and chain. 46 teeth like my old crank. Is the chain line ~42 on these? My current cranks stick out a little.
    Warning ! Don't use your old worn chain on a new chainring. Also, don't use a new chain on an old worn cog. Replace the chainring, chain and cog at the same time.

    Now, if you replace your chain frequently before it stretches a lot as I do, then it's ok to just replace the chain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
    Warning ! Don't use your old worn chain on a new chainring. Also, don't use a new chain on an old worn cog. Replace the chainring, chain and cog at the same time.

    Now, if you replace your chain frequently before it stretches a lot as I do, then it's ok to just replace the chain.
    Crap. I guess I'm not out of the woods yet.

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    There are low cost square taper cranks .. got a LBS in your Hood ? Visit It.

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    Fact: The vast majority of bike shops have a pretty lame selection of parts for fixed gear/single speed bikes (if any at all).

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    ^I unfortunately learned this very recently, after asking for a xmas gift card to my LBS. I have pretty much the same question as the OP, but I'm also wondering what effect upgrading will have on ride. Are better cranksets just more durable and typically lighter?

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    The most important factors when upgrading a crankset is stiffness and strength. A stiffer, stronger crank will naturally result in better performance than a noodly one.

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    Makes sense. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Euthyphro View Post
    ...but I'm also wondering what effect upgrading will have on ride. Are better cranksets just more durable and typically lighter?
    The main advantage is that they run a lot smoother and it's easier to get consistent chain tension due to them being rounder and better tolerences. Also, better chainrings are made from harder material that makes them last longer.
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    Well, that's all the convincing I need. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
    The main advantage is that they run a lot smoother and it's easier to get consistent chain tension due to them being rounder and better tolerences. Also, better chainrings are made from harder material that makes them last longer.
    I was thinking more of crank arms themselves but yeah, this too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TejanoTrackie View Post
    The main advantage is that they run a lot smoother and it's easier to get consistent chain tension due to them being rounder and better tolerences. Also, better chainrings are made from harder material that makes them last longer.
    Yeah my current crank aren't "round" no matter how much I try to adjust.

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