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    Quote Originally Posted by droobieinop View Post
    If there was a club type organized ride going on, was there a cop targeting those riders?

    Or would it be hipocritical for a cop to be out writing tickets one month and then waving bikes and stopping traffic the next?

    Just a thought.
    Sorry my bad.... The day I saw the cop there was nothing going on like that. justinsmnz ... mentioned that there was nobody on the trail when he rode it the other day. So I mentioned that there were a LOT of people on the trail this past Sat..

    But I do see what you mean... Most of the riders in the "club ride" were turning off of the road onto the trail where the cop was that day. I did see a cop in an SUV turn off of the same road and head down the trail as I was leaving. The same direction all of the riders were headed.. Not sure what he was doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzOtherlandzz View Post
    But I do see what you mean... Most of the riders in the "club ride" were turning off of the road onto the trail where the cop was that day. I did see a cop in an SUV turn off of the same road and head down the trail as I was leaving. The same direction all of the riders were headed.. Not sure what he was doing.
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    I guess the flames will start now or I'm a troll, but I don't understand why someone would obey laws that govern them while operating a motor vehicle on a state/county/city street (incidentally, your tax bux pay for the signs you hate [kind of a two edged sword]) but consider it annoying to do the same when operating a bicycle. It's such a tiny inconvenience to stop at a sign on a bike. Takes what, 5 seconds. That's 5 more seconds I get to spend riding my bike.

    By the way, I'm a long time vet of the Burke/Gilman, Sammamish River, Centennial Trail (my favorite flatland trail) in Washington. I have never been annoyed by all of their signs. It lets me ride longer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonpost View Post
    I guess the flames will start now or I'm a troll, but I don't understand why someone would obey laws that govern them while operating a motor vehicle on a state/county/city street (incidentally, your tax bux pay for the signs you hate [kind of a two edged sword]) but consider it annoying to do the same when operating a bicycle. It's such a tiny inconvenience to stop at a sign on a bike. Takes what, 5 seconds. That's 5 more seconds I get to spend riding my bike.

    By the way, I'm a long time vet of the Burke/Gilman, Sammamish River, Centennial Trail (my favorite flatland trail) in Washington. I have never been annoyed by all of their signs. It lets me ride longer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -=(8)=- View Post
    While I disargree somewhat with what you are saying here, it must be
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    Yeah, those were the days. 'Saw 'em twice, 30 years apart.

    On the first note, who cares about laws.....if there's a sign, it's not there to piss you off, it's there to some how mitigate the circumstance.

    Most signs say what you are thinking when you see them anyway.

    People obssess too much.

    Chill. If you have to track stand to wait, wutz thuh big deal.......?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonpost View Post
    I guess the flames will start now or I'm a troll, but I don't understand why someone would obey laws that govern them while operating a motor vehicle on a state/county/city street (incidentally, your tax bux pay for the signs you hate [kind of a two edged sword]) but consider it annoying to do the same when operating a bicycle. It's such a tiny inconvenience to stop at a sign on a bike. Takes what, 5 seconds. That's 5 more seconds I get to spend riding my bike.
    With me its a matter of priorities, I mean don't the police have anything better to do?? The first time I saw a cop on the trail a few years ago it was state cop. And in that case I really thought "dont you have anything better to do".
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    Now that its getting HOT-er ... I just stop for a sec at the few stop signs and take a drink of water and get back on my way..

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzOtherlandzz View Post
    With me its a matter of priorities, I mean don't the police have anything better to do?? The first time I saw a cop on the trail a few years ago it was state cop. And in that case I really thought "dont you have anything better to do".
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    Now that its getting HOT-er ... I just stop for a sec at the few stop signs and take a drink of water and get back on my way..
    Like what, go to work? You really think they want to be track standing next to a stop sign all day? Give me a break.

    If you don't like it, get him fired.
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    Is the sign of regulation size, per Florida statutes? If not, it might be reason for dismissal.....

    I do, however, advocate obeying all traffic controls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Is the sign of regulation size, per Florida statutes? If not, it might be reason for dismissal.....

    I do, however, advocate obeying all traffic controls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonpost View Post
    Like what, go to work? You really think they want to be track standing next to a stop sign all day? Give me a break.

    If you don't like it, get him fired.
    Your right, I cant believe how wrong I was by saying I thought the police could be doing something better with there time..... After thinking about it I would much rather have the police giving out tickets on the trail at a stop sign where there isn't much traffic. Than say in Gainesville proper giving out tickets at busy intersections to motorists that continually cut off cyclists and don't yield the right of way.

    Anyway... I started this thread to give a heads up to anybody that was riding the trail, maybe save somebody a hundred bucks. So I guess in a way I was doing the cops job, by getting people to stop at the stop sign.... only without costing them 100 bucks... LOL

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    Maybe paying them to stand around or beat some one up for no reason would be more profitable?

    Get him fired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zzOtherlandzz View Post
    With me its a matter of priorities, I mean don't the police have anything better to do?? The first time I saw a cop on the trail a few years ago it was state cop. And in that case I really thought "dont you have anything better to do".
    .
    Now that its getting HOT-er ... I just stop for a sec at the few stop signs and take a drink of water and get back on my way..
    Unless there's been a number of reports of cyclists carelessly rolling thru the stop signs, it seems like a huge waste of resources. Some states have actually made it legal to cyclists to yield at stop signs. Every intersection and road situation is different, so I'm not sure I agree it would work well in FL.

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    Sorry for being so lengthy.

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonpost View Post
    ... It's such a tiny inconvenience to stop at a sign on a bike. Takes what, 5 seconds. That's 5 more seconds I get to spend riding my bike.
    Actually it takes me more than 5 seconds to get back up to 20 mph after just slowing at an intersection, speak nothing of actually stopping. As for a car, it take much less time to get back up to speed and perhaps that is where you could apply your 5 seconds.

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonpost View Post
    On the first note, who cares about laws.....if there's a sign, it's not there to piss you off, it's there to some how mitigate the circumstance.

    Most signs say what you are thinking when you see them anyway.

    People obssess too much.

    Chill. If you have to track stand to wait, wutz thuh big deal.......?
    The placement of the sign is not in question, it is the presence of the LEO and the exorbitant cost and inconvenience of the ticket. I don't believe that anyone was obssessing over the signage. However there is the legality of their application of highway laws to a bicycle specific roadway.

    And by only doing a track stand one may violate the LEO's understanding of a full and complete stop and get ticketed anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by thompsonpost View Post
    Like what, go to work? You really think they want to be track standing next to a stop sign all day? Give me a break.

    If you don't like it, get him fired.
    Read again the LEO did not have a bike, I don't believe, but waved cyclists down and took them over to a SUV. The LEO won't get fired since he was likely sent there to create revenue.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    Is the sign of regulation size, per Florida statutes? If not, it might be reason for dismissal.....

    I do, however, advocate obeying all traffic controls.
    The size of the signage is a good question that could be argued in court perhaps, but that would also make most signs in floridian gated communities invalid as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by FLvector View Post
    Unless there's been a number of reports of cyclists carelessly rolling thru the stop signs, it seems like a huge waste of resources. Some states have actually made it legal to cyclists to yield at stop signs. Every intersection and road situation is different, so I'm not sure I agree it would work well in FL.
    Thank you, yes an enormous waste of resources considering the budget cuts etc. due to peoples lack of resposibility and desire to pay their fair share of taxes. This makes targeting cyclists easy money, especially at $100 a pop, this LEO was making $300 a stop from the looks of things.

    I think the Idaho stop was mentioned prviously, and as I was told by a CCSO Lt. the "laws" are just guidelines to be interepted by an individual officer.

    And, I would also find it more prudent for the LEO's to pay closer attention to all the cagers that continue to buzz by me at high speed and well within the 3 ft. clearence that both cagers and LEO's seem to be unaware of (ignorant is more like it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by droobieinop View Post
    Sorry for being so lengthy.



    Actually it takes me more than 5 seconds to get back up to 20 mph after just slowing at an intersection, speak nothing of actually stopping. As for a car, it take much less time to get back up to speed and perhaps that is where you could apply your 5 seconds.



    The placement of the sign is not in question, it is the presence of the LEO and the exorbitant cost and inconvenience of the ticket. I don't believe that anyone was obssessing over the signage. However there is the legality of their application of highway laws to a bicycle specific roadway.

    And by only doing a track stand one may violate the LEO's understanding of a full and complete stop and get ticketed anyway.



    Read again the LEO did not have a bike, I don't believe, but waved cyclists down and took them over to a SUV. The LEO won't get fired since he was likely sent there to create revenue.



    The size of the signage is a good question that could be argued in court perhaps, but that would also make most signs in floridian gated communities invalid as well.



    Thank you, yes an enormous waste of resources considering the budget cuts etc. due to peoples lack of resposibility and desire to pay their fair share of taxes. This makes targeting cyclists easy money, especially at $100 a pop, this LEO was making $300 a stop from the looks of things.

    I think the Idaho stop was mentioned prviously, and as I was told by a CCSO Lt. the "laws" are just guidelines to be interepted by an individual officer.

    And, I would also find it more prudent for the LEO's to pay closer attention to all the cagers that continue to buzz by me at high speed and well within the 3 ft. clearence that both cagers and LEO's seem to be unaware of (ignorant is more like it).
    Oh well. 'Think I'll go for my morning ride.

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