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Old 05-20-16, 07:10 PM   #1
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Cyclist Killed in PVE - Driver of White Truck Sought

Cyclist killed in Palos Verdes Estates crash; truck driver sought for questioning | abc7.com

I ride this hill all the time.
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Old 05-22-16, 12:53 AM   #2
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That area just seems like it's had a lot of really unfortunate incidents this year. Condolences to his friends and family.
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This is horrible. It is my local riding area, too. I heard the driver stopped his truck, got out and saw that the cyclist was down, called 911 and split. I guess that is how they got his description in the article? I usually feel pretty safe riding there because the motorists seem aware of cycling because so many ride the area. Guess I was lulled into a false sense of security...
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From the report linked it's unclear whether the truck driver is sought as a witness or possible suspect in a hit and run. Also no information is offered whether the theory is that this is a solo crash or MV collision.

So, other than offering my condolences to friends and family who may read this, I believe that any discussion is premature at this stage, and we should wait for more facts.

BTW -- Many years ago a good friend died in a solo crash resulting in multiple injuries including head in juries. There were no witnesses, and the police suspected an MV collision. The open question about exact cause of death led to an autopsy whereupon it was found that he'd had a heart attack on the bike, and that's what caused the crash that killed him. (though the heart attack likely would have killed him anyway).

I bring this up to show that somethings things can be very different than they appear.
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Well, not jumping to conclusions, but if the truck driver were blameless... why take off when somebody is obviously in dire straits on the ground in front of you? Doesn't compute.

We have a huge problem with hit and run out here, although stopping to call 911 and then running is contrary to the usual pattern of just running so maybe he was just late for something.

Who knows, a tragedy no matter what.
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Well, not jumping to conclusions, but if the truck driver were blameless... why take off when somebody is obviously in dire straits on the ground in front of you? Doesn't compute.......
Yep, that's something. OTOH - might have been someone who doesn't want to be involved with the law for entirely different reasons. As I said, it's too early to speculate or get worked up. I'd like to believe that Police in SoCal actually investigate when people turn up dead on their streets. I also assume that if the cyclist had family, they'll be asking for answers.
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Yep, that's something. OTOH - might have been someone who doesn't want to be involved with the law for entirely different reasons. As I said, it's too early to speculate or get worked up. I'd like to believe that Police in SoCal actually investigate when people turn up dead on their streets. I also assume that if the cyclist had family, they'll be asking for answers.
Of course, the Police should know exactly who called 911 too. That's not really the kind of behavior for a hit and run driver anyway.
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Here's a link with more info, but no real answers.
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I hate to tell you but hit and runs are seemingly a lot more common lately...I had a friend riding his MOTORCYCLE on Idaho Highway 21 last weekend and a car tried to pass another but didn't see him in front as an oncoming vehicle was coming very close to them and he hit the motorcycle and killed my friend.

I just don't know exactly what is going on except for warmer weather, a holiday weekend approaching and drunk/stoned drivers I would guess.
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I'm not real close to PV but I've ridden that area a few times. It feels pretty safe for cyclists. The link provided by @FBinNY is interesting, hopefully it means that the police are really following up on this. But still no way to know if the rider was actually hit. RIP

The article also mentions that several other riders report having been buzzed by a similar white pickup. Unfortunately that does this probably keeps doing it, increasing the probability that one time he will get too close. We can't really do anything about it either, calling the cops is useless for something like this. There is the closecalldatabase site, but it doesn't seem to work very well.

What is it about pickups? Most PU drivers are fine and just like anyone else, but I've had intentional buzzing, saw rolling coal done to a group of riders in front of me and had stuff thrown at me, always from a pickup.
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Here's a link with more info, but no real answers.
After reading this article it confirms why I ALWAYS have a GoPro camera on my bike. Everyone needs one.
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After reading this article it confirms why I ALWAYS have a GoPro camera on my bike. Everyone needs one.
I know things vary throughout the country, but I don't remember a single event worth recording in the last 5 years or so of almost daily riding on roads. If I search my memory hard enough I might remember as many as 5 incidents in a lifetime.

As for this event, I'm willing to wait and see what the investigation reveals before drawing any inferences.
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Very sorry to hear that. I rode that specific segment at once a week. According to the report (going North), the rider should be descending at a 5-7% slope, in front of people's driveways. It's a relatively safe descent. More details:
Bicyclist killed in Palos Verdes Estates recalled as safe, steady ‘gentle soul’; ‘person of interest’ located

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LA, hit and run capital of the nation at almost 50% of the accidents. Not too difficult to figure out why (3rd world city).
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And the (D) politicians told us if we gave drivers licenese to illegal aliens then this stuff would stop.
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In fact, not too long ago Palos Verdes, very small coastal areas of Long Beach and Pedro, and some Orange County coastal cities: Seal Beach, Huntington Beach, Costa Mesa... were in the same congressional districts (CA 46th, from 2003 to 2013). I did ~60% rides in OC coast, and ~30% at PV. Driving patterns in the areas are very similar. I do most of my PV rides after work. I will have to watch out for contractors/gardeners' trucks, aggressive young drivers, and impatient commuters while descending PV Drive East.

Forgot where I heard it from and the exact phrase: If you cannot avoid ruthless motorists, at least ride in an area where most of them are wealthy and insured.
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