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    So Cal Ride for Apple Pie...Mt Palomar to Julian and back

    Who's hungry for pie ?? Well, yer gonna have to earn it first. This ride has been discussed somewhat in this thread , but I figure it's about time we start rounding up some BFer's and get goin on the details.

    First, the basic route: Start in Valley Center (Northern San Diego County) and climb Mt Palomar via South Grade, at the top of the climb, you can opt for an out n' back up to the observatory (about 9 miles round trip). We'll descend Mt Palomar via East Grade and head over to Mesa Grande via Hwy 76. After Mesa Grande we'll head over to Julian on Hwy 76 & 79 for a some well deserved Apple Pie . The route heads towards Ramona via Hwy78/79 and then take city streets and back country roads through Bandy Canyon. We'll travel through Escondido via Hwy 78 and then takes some urban streets back towards Lake Wohlford Rd.

    The total route is 120 miles and has a lot of climbing. I'm not sure of the total climbing feet. I would guess it's around 10,000'. CJbruin did a elevation profile on Delorme Topo and came up with ~15,000 this has got to be way off. If anyone reading this did the 2004 Tour De Cure Mt Palomar Challenge, and knows the total climbing, please let me know. This route is identical to that ride, except the added out and back to Julian.

    So far the dates discussed have been Saturday Jan 7th and Saturday Jan 28th, it seems to be leaning towards the 28th. Dog Hair has a hilly 68 mile route in North San Diego County (78 and 15 fwy I believe) that we're talking aobut doing the week after Xmas or maybe Jan 7th as a warm-up. Let's start getting a rider list together for both rides.

    I don't want to discourage or scare anyone away, but be warned that this is a pretty tough ride (i.e. not a good "first century"). We hope to find a couple of good "Bail Out" spots on the route, although I don't know of many other than just going back down South Grade. Oonce you've descended East Grade, you're on the other side of the mountain and you can take 76 back to the start, after that you're screwed . Hopefully we'll get someone to drive a support vehicle, my58vw had offered at one time, hopefully his (her?) offer still stands. Weather may also be an issue, it's very possible to have snow on Mt Palomar, we'll have to watch as the ride gets closer.

    I can't think of much else for now, you can PM with your email address if you want a PDF of the route slip, for now it's just premliminary until we have the rest stops figured out. Once it's final, I'll try and post it in this thread. So who's in ??

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    One of the rest stops would have to be at Dudley's (presuming it is still there - haven't been there in 15 years).
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    Ugh, whats the drop policy like?

    Stops?

    I'm interested but I won't be toward the front of the pack after a couple of long hills

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    28th eh? Sounds good. That will bring me up to speed for the Tour de Palm Springs followed by the Butterfield Double...
    I will not be bringing the SAG Bag on this trip, 120 miles carrying excess gear would not be fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ovoleg
    Ugh, whats the drop policy like?

    Stops?

    I'm interested but I won't be toward the front of the pack after a couple of long hills
    Distance between rest stops wll be typical of an organized century (every 15-35 miles, depending on terrain and availability). I'd like to think that this will be a "no drop" ride. We were successful with this on the OC ride. I could see this ride forming into two groups (faster and slower), due to the distance and climbing. I expect will have around 5 rest stops at gas stations, stores, restuarants etc., plus multiple regroup spots, mostly at the tops of the climbs and at major turns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Extort
    28th eh? Sounds good. That will bring me up to speed for the Tour de Palm Springs followed by the Butterfield Double...
    I will not be bringing the SAG Bag on this trip, 120 miles carrying excess gear would not be fun.
    Yeah, you better do this ride to warm-up for Palm Springs, the easiest century around . I knew we could count on you, my offer still stands to drive you down too . Are you going to join Dog Hair and I on a warm-up ride in late Dec/early Jan?
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    I'm game, even if it will be my first century. I'll climb Mt. Baldy (from Mills Rd) over winter break over and over to get in shape. Maybe I'll try to climb it twice one day. I'm sure the second trip up the switchbacks will be great fun.

    Personally, I'd prefer the 28th, with as early a start as possible, as it gives us slightly more daylight. I'm sure the slower riders (ie me) could use all the daylight we can get. But I'm game for either date. I'd be happy to do a hilly metric on the 7th if that's the date the shorter ride is on.

    By the way, is the Palomar climb shown in the original post the longest/steepest climb along the way? Or is there some late-stage nasty climb that we should know about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jschen
    I'm game, even if it will be my first century. I'll climb Mt. Baldy (from Mills Rd) over winter break over and over to get in shape. Maybe I'll try to climb it twice one day. I'm sure the second trip up the switchbacks will be great fun.
    I've did that last summer. First time up took GMR and Glendora Ridge Road and up to the lifts, went down and back up Mt Baldy Rd. That second time up the switchbacks and above Manker Flats really hurt

    Personally, I'd prefer the 28th, with as early a start as possible, as it gives us slightly more daylight. I'm sure the slower riders (ie me) could use all the daylight we can get. But I'm game for either date. I'd be happy to do a hilly metric on the 7th if that's the date the shorter ride is on.

    By the way, is the Palomar climb shown in the original post the longest/steepest climb along the way? Or is there some late-stage nasty climb that we should know about?
    The climb up South Grade (the profile in the first post) is the hardest, longest steepest climb of the ride. It's similar to Baldy but just a touch mellower. Mesa Grande is steep but doesn't last very long. What I think hurts the most are climbing Hwy 78 near the Wild Animal Park and climbing Lake Wolhford Road, neither of these would be that bad on their own, but being at the end of a hard ride makes them pretty nasty.
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    I might be up for the 68 mile warm up ride. 120 miles with 10,000 ft of climbing sounds like torture though. I'm not ready for that yet.

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    By the way, the apple pie had better be good! I'll be working awfully hard for this pie!
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    oh.... i want to join you for this ride.... but in the spring (or summer) when it's warmer! i've hear that climbing palomar is a GOOD climb!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jschen
    By the way, the apple pie had better be good! I'll be working awfully hard for this pie!
    julian pie ROCKS! and i assume dudley's is still there... cuz the julian bike club uses their bread for their sag stops (and that rocks too!!!!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by caligurl
    oh.... i want to join you for this ride.... but in the spring (or summer) when it's warmer! i've hear that climbing palomar is a GOOD climb!
    Maybe if things go well, we can do this once every 2-3 months. If I survive the ride, I'll be happy to help organize future rides along the route.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caligurl
    oh.... i want to join you for this ride.... but in the spring (or summer) when it's warmer! i've hear that climbing palomar is a GOOD climb!
    Why wait for warmth?? Consider it a very early head start on Breathless Agony . Join us and show off that new Ruby!
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    My offer still stand for support, the 7th will be hard though, the later would be ok for me. BTW (He/she), he for the day so you can go by that... I don't care anyway.

    I will probably use my focus, it has the dual racks with the arms that come up and grab the front wheel... no wheel take off requirement. I can take two riders comfortably, I might add a third traditional center rack if needed also (then I can haul 3 if needed).

    I would love to ride but 120 miles is a little much for me now.

    We can do either those big McDonalds style canasters for water or gatorade, maybe some food stuff if needed, depending on how many riders.

    BTW this offer is always open if you need it for any ride over a metric (anything metric or less I would perfer to ride!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by my58vw
    My offer still stand for support, the 7th will be hard though, the later would be ok for me. BTW (He/she), he for the day so you can go by that... I don't care anyway.

    I will probably use my focus, it has the dual racks with the arms that come up and grab the front wheel... no wheel take off requirement. I can take two rides comfortably, I might add a third traditional center rack if needed also (then I can haul 3 if needed).

    I would love to ride but 120 miles is a little much for me now.

    Let me know

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    Thanks for the generous offer. I'm sure we'll all pitch in for gas, food and of course your pie . If you want, you could drive my Yukon Xl, it can hold more bikes, people gear etc. We'll work out the details.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Roadie
    Why wait for warmth?? Consider it a very early head start on Breathless Agony . Join us and show off that new Ruby!
    oh.... even though BA is later in the year... i can't even say that last year's was warmer.... lol! so does this ride have all the climbing in the 1st half... and down hill the 2nd half (so in essence... 60 miles of work and 60 miles of "easy" or downhill?)

    i think that's my favorite thing about BA.... it's 98% downhill once you hit onxy!

    (oh... and i hate riding in cold! brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i went out after work this evening and about froze my tushie off!)

    i have a month to change my mind... (plus i mentioned it to hubby and he sounded somewhat interested!) and like someone mentioned... it can be a "warm up" for palm springs in 2 weeks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Roadie
    Thanks for the generous offer. I'm sure we'll all pitch in for gas, food and of course your pie . If you want, you could drive my Yukon Xl, it can hold more bikes, people gear etc. We'll work out the details.
    Lets talk via PM as the time gets closer. I truely hope we do not have to put too many bikes in the back... they should be on the road right!?

    Thanks again, let me know!
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    Quote Originally Posted by my58vw
    I truely hope we do not have to put too many bikes in the back... they should be on the road right!?
    Somehow, I find this surprisingly funny. Thanks, Mandy, for your offer of support.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caligurl
    oh.... even though BA is later in the year... i can't even say that last year's was warmer.... lol! so does this ride have all the climbing in the 1st half... and down hill the 2nd half (so in essence... 60 miles of work and 60 miles of "easy" or downhill?)

    i think that's my favorite thing about BA.... it's 98% downhill once you hit onxy!

    (oh... and i hate riding in cold! brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr i went out after work this evening and about froze my tushie off!)

    i have a month to change my mind... (plus i mentioned it to hubby and he sounded somewhat interested!) and like someone mentioned... it can be a "warm up" for palm springs in 2 weeks!
    I think I remember you guys from last years BA, was your Husband driving while you rode? That was pretty chilly coming down from Oak Glen. To answer your question, not really. The most notable climbing is in the first 1/2 or 1/3 but there's more towards the end also.
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    Hey guys, Count me tentatively in on this

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    Quote Originally Posted by OC Roadie
    I think I remember you guys from last years BA, was your Husband driving while you rode? That was pretty chilly coming down from Oak Glen. To answer your question, not really. The most notable climbing is in the first 1/2 or 1/3 but there's more towards the end also.
    YES! he was signed up... but hurt his knee... and i was too cheap to not ride it after paying for it... so i rode instead and he "sagged" me! i hadn't even been riding a year yet at that time!

    this year we'll both sign up... so i hope the weather is nicer since i won't have him driving to give me the different jackets and gloves i needed this year!
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    I up for the 120 mile ride and warm-up in late Dec/early Jan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pico
    I up for the 120 mile ride and warm-up in late Dec/early Jan.
    I figured we could count you in
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