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Old 10-27-06, 10:35 AM   #276
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Seems like a good reason to camp at Jumbo Rocks, yes?
Plus, we'll have a much better chance of securing a couple of campsites at Jumbo.
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what time were you gonna be there?
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Extort says he's getting up there to secure campsites early Friday. Hopefully, I should be there by late afternoon on Friday.
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Old 10-27-06, 10:42 AM   #279
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Plus, we'll have a much better chance of securing a couple of campsites at Jumbo.
I vote Jumbo.
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I should be up there about 3-4 on friday. I plan on leaving SD about lunch time. I never been up there so I'm just following the group.
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BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR the 10 day forcast at weather.com is showing only a HIGH of 72 on the 11th..... BRRRRRRRRRRRRR




which means it wil be cooler in the park (higher elevation) and cooler still at key's view!

hopefully as the day gets closer it will be a bit warmer forcast (high of 72 for the day means during our ride time it won't even hit that!)
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nice...I love it...
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BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR the 10 day forcast at weather.com is showing only a HIGH of 72 on the 11th..... BRRRRRRRRRRRRR




which means it wil be cooler in the park (higher elevation) and cooler still at key's view!

hopefully as the day gets closer it will be a bit warmer forcast (high of 72 for the day means during our ride time it won't even hit that!)

What time will we meet and start the ride?
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we were thinking meet at 8:30 and ROLL at 9:00... that means it may BARELY be 60 degrees at that time... (it's currently 64 degrees at 9:30 and it's a warmer day today.)

we could push it back to meet at 9 leave at 9:30 or even meet at 9:30 leave at 10? any earlier than 9 will be TOO COLD.... and we probably don't want to leave much later than 10.... it takes me a bit over 4 hours RIDE time to do this ride... so even leaving at 10 i would say the latest we'd get back would be 3 with stopping/regrouping (i don't think we'll want to stop too long at key's view cuz we'll be cold!)

so let's get some input?

roll time at:

9:00
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so let's get some input?

roll time at:

9:00
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Well, I'm carpooling back with Fixer who sweetly agreed to provide me a ride, so I defer to his vote (but I'm hoping that will be either 9:30 or 10:00... )
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Perhaps we should give those who're hung over a head start?
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I don't care when we start. I guess 10 is most convenient to me, but it doesn't really matter. Umm... is there a start location yet?
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. Umm... is there a start location yet?
see post 254 and the next few after that.....
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For some of us camping the night before, will there be a fee to re-enter the park by bike the next morning? I don't mind paying, I'm just curious.
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For some of us camping the night before, will there be a fee to re-enter the park by bike the next morning? I don't mind paying, I'm just curious.

Oh thats right...if we come visit the campsite we will have to pay also..at some parks its good for 2 days??
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Thanks caligurl. Hmm... 173 miles, and Google Maps says 3:20. Based on mileage alone, I would estimate more like 2:30. Hmm... how long does it take to go the 40-odd miles from the intersection of I-10 and CA-62 to the start location?
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JTNP Fees

Entrance Fees

7-Day Vehicle Permit: $15
Admits the passengers of a single, non-commercial vehicle. Valid for the day of purchase and the next six days.•7-Day Single Entry Permit: $5
Admits one person, 16 years of age or older, when entering on foot, bicycle, motorcycle, or horse. Also the per person entrance fee for individuals traveling together in a vehicle as a non-commercial, organized group. Valid for the day of purchase and the next six days.
Joshua Tree National Park Annual Pass: $30
Admits the pass signee and accompanying passengers entering in a single, non-commercial vehicle. Valid for 12 months from the month of purchase. Non-transferable
Golden Age Passport: $10
A lifetime pass to any federal recreational fee area that is available to any citizen or permanent resident of the United States who is 62 years of age or older. Admits passport signee and accompanying passengers in a single, noncommercial vehicle, or alternatively, passport signee, spouse and children where entry is other than private, noncommercial vehicle. Pass is non-transferable and entitles passport signee ONLY to 50% discount on use fees, e.g., camping, Keys Ranch Tour.
Golden Access Passport: free
A lifetime pass to any federal recreational fee area. Golden Access Passports are only issued to United States citizens or permanent residents who provide proof of blindness or permanent disability in person. Admits pass holder and accompanying passengers in a single, non-commercial vehicle, or alternatively, pass holder, care assistant, spouse, and children where entry is other than by non-commercial vehicle. Entitles passport signee ONLY to 50% discount on use fees, e.g., camping, Keys Ranch Tour.
National Park Pass: $50
Valid for one year from date of purchase at any National Park Service Unit. Admits the pass owner and any accompanying passengers in a single, non-commercial vehicle, or the pass holder and his/her immediate family (spouse, children, parents) when entry is by other means (foot, bicycle, etc.). Non-transferable.
Golden Eagle Pass: $65
Valid for one year from date of purchase at any federal recreational fee area. Admits the pass owner and any accompanying passengers in a single, non-commercial vehicle, or the pass holder and his/her immediate family (spouse, children, parents) when entry is by other means (foot, bicycle, etc.). Non-transferable.
Activity Fees
Camping fees vary by campground.•Keys Ranch Guided Walking Tour fees


Commercial Entrance Fees
Entrance fees for commercial vehicles are based on the capacity of the vehicle. Commercial vehicles must also hold an incidental business permit. (184k PDF)
•Vehicle capacity 1-6: $25 plus $5 per person•Vehicle capacity 7-15: $50•Vehicle capacity 16-25: $60•Vehicle capacity 26 or more: $150
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Old 11-02-06, 12:12 PM   #293
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I may be able to make this. I've been wanting to do some camping before it gets too cold so I could kill two birds with one stone.

I'll know more after this weekend.
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Here is the camping link

Camping Fees
Camping






Campground



Elevation



Sites



Fees



Group


Sites


Group


Fees


Horse


Camp


Water


Belle
3,800 feet

18
$5

Black Rock
4,000 feet

100
$10


$10
yes

Cottonwood
3,000 feet

62
$10
3
$25

yes


Hidden Valley
4,200 feet

39
$5

Indian Cove
3,200 feet

101
$10
13
$20/35

Jumbo Rocks
4,400 feet

124
$5

Ryan
4,300 feet

31
$5


$5

Sheep Pass
4,500 feet


6

$20/35

White Tank
3,800 feet

15
$5


Increased camping fees proposed: Members of the public are invited to comment on proposed camping fee increases at Belle, Cottonwood, Hidden Valley, Jumbo Rocks, Ryan, and White Tank campgrounds. more
Campsites are limited to six people, three tents, and two cars. Group sites accommodate 10 to 60 people. Each campsite has a picnic table and fire grate. Water and flush toilets are available in Black Rock and Cottonwood campgrounds. Showers are not available.
Water is available at the Oasis Visitor Center, Indian Cove Ranger Station, West Entrance, and Black Rock and Cottonwood campgrounds.
Quiet hours are from 10 p.m. to 6 a.m. Generator use is limited to six hours a day: 7 to 9 a.m., noon to 2 p.m., and 5 to 7 p.m.
Food-storage containers capable of preventing access by wildlife are required. Any scented or odorous items must be similarly stored.
Campfires: All vegetation in the park is protected. If you want to make a campfire, bring your own firewood. Fire grates are provided.
Reservations may be made five months in advance for sites at Black Rock, Indian Cove, and all group sites by calling 1-800-365-2267 or online. (Except for group sites, reservations are not available in June, July, and August, but campsites are plentiful in summer.)
Other campgrounds are first-come, first-served and fill quickly on weekends and during spring break. The park also offers backcountry camping.
RVs: There are no hookups for recreational vehicles. Black Rock and Cottonwood have dump stations. At Hidden Valley and all group sites, motorhomes and trailers cannot exceed 25 feet. At White Tank Campground the 25-foot limitation includes the towing vehicle.
Camping Limits: There is a 30-day camping limit each year. However, only 14 nights total may occur from October through May.
Overflow Camping:
There is no overflow camping in the park, however there are some BLM areas nearby. Click here for a map.(270k PDF)



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so $15 for worry free parking, sounds good to me
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so $15 for worry free parking, sounds good to me
Yeah, but my question was if you leave the park by car or bike and re-enter by bike, will they charge you a single entry fee?
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Yeah, but my question was if you leave the park by car or bike and re-enter by bike, will they charge you a single entry fee?
i'm not sure how they'll work that.... i would make a BIG assumption that at least the driver of the car could get back in on the bike... just make sure to bring your Park entry pass with you... not sure what they'll do about passengers that got in with you... they may have to pay the $5.00 to get back in???? i guess to be "safe"... just carry $5.00.... i do know with the annual pass... we only buy ONE for the family... the two of us....

jsigone.... you won't be parking IN the park.... you'll be parking, for the ride, back down in luckie park.... we're leaving from outside the national park.... riding up the hill.... and into the Park.... then back down to luckie park!
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Yeah, but my question was if you leave the park by car or bike and re-enter by bike, will they charge you a single entry fee?
Right I keep re-reading this and cant figure that out either...but I think it does cover that..since the single entry fee says bike, or as a passenger in a vehicle...I would think the vehicle charge would cover you on a bike also...
Everyone just needs to remember to carry their receipts at all times!
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Yeah, but my question was if you leave the park by car or bike and re-enter by bike, will they charge you a single entry fee?

it's $5 a day or $15 for 7 days
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you all are giving me a headache!

i'll ride up there (to the gate) sometime in the next few days and ask how it will work..... so by tuesday evening you will have a definitive answer
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