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Old 10-04-06, 10:15 PM   #1
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Crystal Lake...After the New Year to Work off the Champagne

Okay, I know I'm supposed to be focusing on the night ride date - but in the meantime, I thought I'd throw something out. All the various rides on the BF calendar at this time of the year should be whiping our butts into major shape (I'm really only referring to myself, so please don't be offended if you are alreadly in shape). Therefore, I think it is possible that in the month of January (either before or after Stagecoach), we should line up a Crystal Lake ride. It's meaner and badder than Baldy! You climbing goats (umm...I mean...boys and girls) will love it! The rest of us will suffer. BUT, I will say, the ride is purported to be Lance's old training ride (yes, THAT Lance). And in the winter, I can only imagine it is quite stunning and doable (I did it in 95 degree weather - I was so dehydrated that I had nothing to puke to the left - ).

So, with that endorsement - anyone up for CL in January? If so, we could get this on the ride calendar. I'm happy to lead the ride - but there will be so many of you faster up that mountain, it's kind of a weak suggestion. Luckily it's clear cut - up HWY 39 to the top. How much easier can it be?

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Sounds cool to me. I've been meaning to do that climb sometime. Don't plan around me, but I'm most likely to make it if it's on a Sunday.
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Old 10-04-06, 10:19 PM   #3
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Sounds cool to me. I've been meaning to do that climb sometime. Don't plan around me, but I'm most likely to make it if it's on a Sunday.
A Sunday would work - and I can only imagine there are others who would like that as well.
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A chance to ride with M.E. on my day off? I'm there! Maybe I can learn to be a nut (mentally, during a climb), like her.
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Where's Crystal Lake?
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Old 10-04-06, 10:26 PM   #6
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A chance to ride with M.E. on my day off? I'm there! Maybe I can learn to be a nut (mentally, during a climb), like her.
I am nutty, but I bring PayDays, and I don't usually omit odor.
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Where's Crystal Lake?
At the top of HWY 39 (where the lake is exactly, I don't know for sure. Of course, the day I rode it, it was probably dried out anyway).
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Old 10-04-06, 10:30 PM   #8
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Where's Crystal Lake?
Take hwy 39 north out of Azusa. Keep climbing and you will eventually reach Crystal Lake. Also, I saw runor that 39 is open all the way to Angeles Crest now. Can anyone confirm that? It was closed above Crystal Lake for about 20 years after part of the road near the top slid about a 1000 feet down the side of the mountain.
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Looks like a good ride. Cold in January?
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Take hwy 39 north out of Azusa. Keep climbing and you will eventually reach Crystal Lake. Also, I saw runor that 39 is open all the way to Angeles Crest now. Can anyone confirm that? It was closed above Crystal Lake for about 20 years after part of the road near the top slid about a 1000 feet down the side of the mountain.
I road it in the beginning of June, and Vertical Bob, who was with me and the group, continued to AC (I did not and went back down instead). Whether that means it is "open" now or not, I'm not sure. But cyclists can get through, I believe.
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Looks like a good ride. Cold in January?
Yes, cold. We could push it to February or March. But believe me, cold is so much better than hot on that road, and I do not think there is ever a happy medium since there is ZERO shade on that ride (a little tiny bit at the top and that's it).
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Looks like a good ride. Cold in January?
Thanks. I was looking too far north.
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that should be a nice view of the white caps on Baldy and Big Bear in Jan.....if we get rain
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Hi,

Yes, cold is definitely better than hot for that climb. Regardless of the temperature, my biggest concern for that route is water. I know that I brought this up the last time that this ride was mentioned, but I haven't ridden it in a few years because the last time that I went there it was hot and there were not any "public" watering holes. We were fortunate that during the descent we found a private residence whose owners let us refill our water bottles.

So can you get water somewhere on the road or do we have to schlep ungodly amounts of water up the hill with us?

BTW, I'd be up for doing this on New Year's Day. The big ride New Year's Day down PCH scares me anyway. Especially, the Corona Del Mar cop who tries to "push" everone into the far right lane with his police cruiser. However, we will need a lot of warm clothes for the descent from Crystal Lake.
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Lets not do it new years weekend... I am doing a century (local club) on the 1st, so I would rather the weekend after...

Sounds like fun... and lots of suffereing!
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BTW, I'd be up for doing this on New Year's Day. The big ride New Year's Day down PCH scares me anyway. Especially, the Corona Del Mar cop who tries to "push" everone into the far right lane with his police cruiser.
I had to laugh about that guy, the only person holding up traffic was him!

Oh, and yes I would be interested.
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I am game. I don't mind bringing a CamelBak.

So, into Wrightwood for lunch?
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Yes, cold is definitely better than hot for that climb. Regardless of the temperature, my biggest concern for that route is water. So can you get water somewhere on the road or do we have to schlep ungodly amounts of water up the hill with us?

BTW, I'd be up for doing this on New Year's Day. The big ride New Year's Day down PCH scares me anyway.
Hi Cleave,
You have a good point about the water. The day I rode it, if I recall correctly, we took a small detour down East Fork to refill at that small cafe (I stop there on the Baldy rides too all the time and I can't remember the name!). Hmmm. I wonder if I can drive up beforehand and strategically place some water. Also, if it is definitely open (i.e. we don't have to sneak to get up there in fear of a Ranger sending us back - which has happened to me twice!), I could check to see if I can leave water at the Ranger station that morning. I'll look into it.
New Years Day? Man, you really do want to hurt us don't you? Bear in mind, I've yet to do the AC ride - although Vertical Bob described it to me (I bet he'd want to do CL instead as well). Well - if a group forms, I'd consider it. It would be a great way to start off the New Year!
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I am game. I don't mind bringing a CamelBak.

So, into Wrightwood for lunch?
Do you mean connecting to AC? I get confused up there with the altitude and all and can't remember which way is which...
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I had to laugh about that guy, the only person holding up traffic was him!

Oh, and yes I would be interested.
For New Years Day? The rest of you? If so, I'll ask Caligurl if she'll add it to the sticky about upcoming rides.
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Lets not do it new years weekend... I am doing a century (local club) on the 1st, so I would rather the weekend after...

Sounds like fun... and lots of suffereing!
oops, sorry...just saw this post.
Okay, let's consider several dates, shall we? I'd love to have a big group! Of course, I'm going to need a couple of slow climbers to join or you guys will be so far ahead, I'll be riding solo. Come on, those of you who think "I can't climb so fast" - I'll be keeping you company!
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Do you mean connecting to AC? I get confused up there with the altitude and all and can't remember which way is which...
It looks like once 39 connects with 2, Wrightwood is 20 miles east. So that would add 40 miles. Too much? Are there any other places to eat up there? I have been up 2 as far as Dawson Saddle and there is nothing past Newcomb Ranch.
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There is no water on 39, no water on AC except Newcombs west and Grassy Hollow east. To go east you have to cross the washout after you go over Dawson Saddle. Might not be doable if they are working on it, and if they aren't, it's a 2 foot wide footpath on a 200 foot slope.
Yes, you can get to AC on 39 but the top 4 or 5 miles after Crystal Lake is gated to cars and sometimes the lower gate is closed, but neither gate has ever stopped cyclists that I'm aware of.
Stopping to get water on East fork is a little early in the ride, but might help.
New Years Day is the traditional ride to Mt Wilson from Big Tujunga. I've done it 5 years running and about 200 riders show up from all over the city. I always stuff a large Camelbak with clothes for the freezing descent. Last year it rained, 2 years ago there was too much ice on Mt Wilson road to go to the top, and it was 32 degrees when we turned around. 3 years ago a rider crashed on the ice.
If you're planning to go up to altitude in January, be prepared for freezing descents.
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If you're planning to go up to altitude in January, be prepared for freezing descents.
Well, if it is freezing cold and/or icy conditions, the ride will be postponed. All depends on weather, which is true of any ride, yes? And in terms of the type of ride I'm imagining - it's up from Duarte to the top of 39 and back down (I don't know where Dawon Saddle is and have never come across a 2 foot wide trail - I don't do heights with drop-offs!). The Descent will be cold I'm sure (I've ridden Baldy in January and froze my whatswhosit off! But it was worth it... ), and if you dress accordingly, I would think it doable. And actually, I'm thinking the East Fork cafe as a water stop [I]on the way down[I] which means it could be a lunch stop as well. The food is nothing to write home about, but after climbing up 39, any food would be welcomed.
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Well, if it is freezing cold and/or icy conditions, the ride will be postponed. All depends on weather, which is true of any ride, yes? And in terms of the type of ride I'm imagining - it's up from Duarte to the top of 39 and back down (I don't know where Dawon Saddle is and have never come across a 2 foot wide trail - I don't do heights with drop-offs!). The Descent will be cold I'm sure (I've ridden Baldy in January and froze my whatswhosit off! But it was worth it... ), and if you dress accordingly, I would think it doable. And actually, I'm thinking the East Fork cafe as a water stop [I]on the way down[I] which means it could be a lunch stop as well. The food is nothing to write home about, but after climbing up 39, any food would be welcomed.
I'm not saying don't do it, just be ready for the cold. I know you can handle it. If you go all the way to the top of 39 at AC that is the bottom of the climb to Dawson saddle on AC. It's about 6-7 miles to the top at 7900 foot level. If you then descend the other side to go to Wrightwood that is where the washout is. We were there a few weeks back and you could get through, not with a car, though. I think it's about 23-25 miles to Wrightwood from the intersection of 39 and AC.
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