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    Pie ride tuneup: Oct 29

    Ride may be cancelled depending on conditions. Stay tuned.

    I was thinking that with the Pie ride just a month away, it's about time to get in serious climbing shape. So perhaps this Sunday would be a good time to jump start the process of getting one's climbing in peak form.

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    Our route is as follows:



    About 80 miles including an optional observatory out and back at the top of Palomar, with most of the climbing front-loaded. Major climbs are Palomar South Grade, the optional climbs to and from the observatory, and the beginning portion of Mesa Grande.

    Start location, courtesy of jsigone:

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    Harrah's Rincon Casino & Resort
    777 Harrah's Rincon Way
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    We will be parking in the lot on the corner where the stop light is facing Valley Center, Not in the parking structure. Look for my lowered Grey Scion XB
    Meet at 6:00 AM, roll at 6:30 AM. Don't forget to reset your clock!

    Now that we've chosen a route, who's in?

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    My calendar appears open! Of course, that depends on the amount of elevation gain. How much are you thinking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jschen
    I was thinking that with the Pie ride just a month away, it's about time to get in serious climbing shape. So perhaps this Sunday would be a good time to jump start the process of getting one's climbing in peak form.

    Route (and start time/location) to be decided, but I'll try to feature Palomar since we'll have to climb it early on in the Pie ride, and it's nice to be somewhat familiar with it. We can work it out based on who's in and how everyone feels about their current state of readiness. Possible routes include the following (optional observatory trips on all routes):

    climb South Grade, descend East Grade, return the same way (and repeat the whole thing? )
    the Conquer Palomar route (Santa Ysabel to Palomar along Mesa Grande and East Grade and back)
    multiple climbs of South Grade
    actual Pie route

    If you're interested, feel free to voice a preference of routes. Who's in?
    I'm interested, what's the distance from San Ysabel? I've only ridden motorcycles through there, so distances are on the "compressed" side. Maybe I can finally drag my cousin out since he has his new wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancemac
    My calendar appears open! Of course, that depends on the amount of elevation gain. How much are you thinking?
    I'm open to various possibilities. Climbing South Grade and East Grade puts the total somewhere in the high 6k's, I think, with about 50 miles. I'm not sure what the Conquer Palomar route has for vertical. I know it's about 60 miles round trip (not including an observatory trip) from Santa Ysabel, and the total vertical probably is lower than simply climbing South Grade and East Grade, but you do have to climb the rather steep lower portion of Mesa Grande on the return trip.
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    I'm holding 9-10 on Torrey with the bent, and can grind up darn near anything in the county at 4-5mph with the 26/27 and 650c wheels.

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    got the climbing bug jsigone's Avatar
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    I'll have to get back to you on this. I don't know how I'm gonna feel this week as far as riding long hours on the bike.

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    I'm a maybe. I'd like to go but I'm doing some home remodelling on Saturday. Hopefully I'll either be finished or able to talk my wife into finishing the next weekend (while still making the Inland Empire ride).

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    OK I think I'll ride on sunday. I forgot about the time change thing

    Here's the route slip I'd like to try pending how we're feeling after the climb up Palomar

    Start at the casino
    Left on Valley Ctr
    Right on 76
    Left up the South Grade
    Straight at the 4 way to the observatory
    Go out and back
    Left on to East Grade Decent
    Left on 76
    Right on Mesa Grande
    Right on 79
    Stop at San Ysabel for liquid refill
    Left on 79
    Left on 76
    Left on Valley Center
    Right into the casino

    Topo Route said it's 79 miles, half of that is decents, so should be doable for me. San Ysabel is at the 50 mile maker.

    I'm not a fast climber so be warned



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    That route sounds awesome to me. It's essentially all the hardest climbing of the Pie ride (and heading all the way out to pie) and then an easier way home. Some people have been discussing that route as a possibility for "Pie ride lite" for anyone not up for the full Pie ride. It would be excellent warm-up for the Pie ride, and an excellent route in general.
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    got the climbing bug jsigone's Avatar
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    well if they take the short way out they have that 7% grade out of the valley back to their cars at the school and shave only 15 miles or so off the ride.

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    Yes, but they avoid the rollers on Highland Valley and Lake Wohlford at mile 92 or so (without the observatory trip; about mile 100 with). It's not much easier, but it is ever so slightly easier.
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    By the way, Jason, I'd love to join on this on Sunday, but I'm riding with the Colavita guys whom I haven't ridden with in a while. They are going to kick me off the team if I keep it up...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone
    That is sick.

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    it's ALOT of downhill, the back side of Palomar is 13 mile decent Then the 76 fork down to the casino is about another 12 miles, so thats 25 miles of decent in just those two hills. Coming back from San Ysabel, there's only 2 good climbs.

    I just hope the santa ana winds won't effect us too much

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    Damn, another ride we'll have to miss.

    After this weekend, our schedules open up a bit, so it will be back on the bike!
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    Hmmm...tempting. Just about the mileage I wanted to do on my Sunday ride. We'll have to see how it goes this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone
    I'm not a fast climber so be warned
    I'm sure you'll make up for it on the descents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vancemac
    That is sick.
    It's not too bad...after about mile 25 or so, it's all downhill! Right Jason and Jeff?
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    That looks like fun. Told ya I like to suffer.

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    Yah after the East grade Decent, we'll go up Mesa Grande decend into San Ysable and head back to the cars Via 79 & 76. Theres one short hill on the 79 going back and a bit longer hill on the 76 right before getting to the South Grade fork. I estimate that this is 50% climbing and 50% FAST decents, if not a hair more decents then climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo'Phat
    I'm sure you'll make up for it on the descents.
    Yah I'll make it up, but no world record or anything My legs are still tight for the hammer session I had to endure on Sunday

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mo'Phat
    It's not too bad...after about mile 25 or so, it's all downhill! Right Jason and Jeff?
    The major climbs are Palomar South Grade (modestly steep grade, but long) and the beginning of Mesa Grande (very steep, but not very long). And optionally the out and back to the observatory. There's plenty of rollers on Mesa Grande, but they're not really worth mentioning compared to the other climbing. I disagree that the ride is 50% climbing and 50% descending. There's quite a bit of rolling or essentially flat terrain on the way home. I've never done that home stretch, but it should be pretty mellow once we reach pie.
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    the home strech will be a fast ride as long as the wind isn't too bad on the 79. We should have the wind to a back on the 76 down.

    I never rode Mesa Grande so I don't know what is up there.

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    Yes, the return trip should be fast. If the wind acts up, a bit of pacelining should make it tolerable. Mesa Grande is really steep at the beginning, and then lots of big rollers through very nice scenery. And then a fast descent at the end. As long as we're not fighting massive headwinds on Mesa Grande, it should be a fun ride. (It was a delightful stretch of challenging rollers in January. It was an agonizing battle in September when I re-did the Pie ride solo and faced massive headwinds there.)
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    FYI - theoretically, if you start and end at the same place, you climb exactly as much as you descend. Otherwise, you'd never find your car, as it'd be in the 5th dimension.
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