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Old 08-12-07, 02:57 PM   #1
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LA Times Critical Mass Article

The article is about Critical Mass starting in San Francisco, but also mentions Santa Monica.

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedi...wed-storylevel
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Old 08-12-07, 03:00 PM   #2
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Intersting article. In my opinion CM is the second worst thing ever to happen to cycling - beat only by doping.


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Old 08-12-07, 03:04 PM   #3
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torn between understanding and being put off

I'm torn. On one hand I understand what they were trying to accomplish, but on the other I was cringing as I read parts of the article. I think the more we get along with drivers and encourage them to also get on bikes, the safer the roads will be.
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I like the idea of taking back the streets.
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taking back the streets?????? I wasn't aware streets were invented for bikes.
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Old 08-12-07, 04:26 PM   #7
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i want to go up to sf for the 15 year anniversary.
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Generally, CM is cool and they have a good message.

When people step over the line and start smashing car windows, however, it does way more harm than good to that message.
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I never did liked CM. What little improvements were made between motorist and cyclist, CM simply destroys that. It creates more animosity between motorists and cyclists.
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i enjoy critical mass because i get to ride my bike. who in this forum doesnt like riding bikes?
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I <3 CM. It was nice how the article credited them with a lot of the improvements made and rights earned by cyclists in SF.
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Intersting article. In my opinion CM is the second worst thing ever to happen to cycling - beat only by doping.


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I disagree. Doping just makes professional cycling look like a joke. Critical mass makes all cyclists look like jerks.
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There are good and bad points about CM, or any event for that matter. If cyclists in CM observe traffic laws...like stopping for people in crosswalks, it wouldn't be too bad. Hitting or denting cars for no reason is a big no-no and even I would take out a few people with extreme prejudice and without reservation if that happened to me...there's a point where people can't cross and everybody has a different tolerance level, so it's better to err in the safe side. There are some horror stories in that article and probably most of the cyclists in CM are regular people...it's the few that decide to go crazy is what gives the event a black eye and attracts the wrong type of attention and subsequent laws that penalize everyone. SF, imho, isn't a very bike friendly place and the majority of the streets and lane widths are really a tight squeeze. To be honest, I used to walk to wherever I wanted to go (Chinatown, The Wharf, Financial District, etc) or take the bus...and that's starting from 14th St and Mission and don't have to worry about finding a good, safe place to lock up my bike.
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It’s amazing how these stupid anarchists victimize the most innocent people, the pedestrians.
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i enjoy critical mass because i get to ride my bike. who in this forum doesnt like riding bikes?
You don't need CM to ride a bike. It just pisses drivers off. I ride my bike for recreation and excercise, and I encourge my friends and others to ride. I don't try to shove it down their throats, I don't have a "one less car sticker", and I don't think cyclists should be trying to tell other people how they need to live. If you want to be effective and get changes for cyclists, support your local bike clubs and organizations that interact with the Government. Don't go out and create a traffic jam to remind others that bikes can piss off drivers just as effectively as other cars.
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hey markw, can you squeeze any more generalizations into your future posts?
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taking back the streets?????? I wasn't aware streets were invented for bikes.
You might find the early efforts of the League of American Wheelmen interesting.
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I'd be fine with CM if they didn't cork intersections and do pointless donuts in intersections tying up traffic in all directions (do they do that in other cities, or is that a San Diego thing?).
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We all have to realize that most of us are both drivers and bike riders.
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I'd be fine with CM if they didn't cork intersections and do pointless donuts in intersections tying up traffic in all directions (do they do that in other cities, or is that a San Diego thing?).
the donuts and laps around traffic circles are the fun part!

jesus christ, people, it's one night out of the month. so you're 5 minutes late to your dinner reservation, big deal. it's not like this happens every night or even every friday night.
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speaking of CM.. when is the LA or SD one? thanks...
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Old 08-14-07, 02:30 AM   #23
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santa monica is every first friday, meet at the pier.
www.santamonicacriticalmass.org

san diego is last friday of the month.
www.myspace.com/criticalmassride
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- tks for posting the link...

- interesting article...

- i commuted via bike from the financial district up to my apartment at Bush and Hyde for nearly four years in the late 70s, but never experienced serious problems with motorists... the most problems (of my own making) were with bus drivers who didn't see me, prompting a more 'take' my lane approach, with the most critical movement during a takeoff at a light while a bus moved back into traffic following a stop just past the intersection (i usually waited for the bus to go - but on some portions of the hill one could walk faster than a bus starting off from a stop!)...
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the donuts and laps around traffic circles are the fun part!

jesus christ, people, it's one night out of the month. so you're 5 minutes late to your dinner reservation, big deal. it's not like this happens every night or even every friday night.
This is incredibly faulty reasoning. It's still something that is:

1) Very inconsiderate.
2) Off putting to people driving around.

If I walked up to you and smacked you in the face on the last friday of the month, which made you five minutes late for your dinner reservation, because it was fun for me, I'm still an ******* for doing it.

Whoa, cool, I hit filter! I never hit the filters!
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