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Old 10-30-07, 08:53 PM   #1
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Santa Monica Mtns Route Help

All,

I've started my training for the KOM for next year and I'm looking at doing a ride in the Santa Monica's this Saturday considering that Palomar is closed here in Diego. I'm looking for some suggestions on the route that I'm planning on below. I'm using some of the Mulholland Challenge route but shorten it. I just don't have the stamina to do the entire '07 Mulholland route so basically, I want to eliminate as many flat spots as well as areas on this route where water and food (Quicki Mart etc) might be available. So here goes:

Start
1) Start Agoura Road + Las Virgenes Rd to Lost Hills Road (R)
2) Las Virgenes Road / Malibu Canyon Road (R)
3) PCH (R)
4) Latigo Canyon Road (R)
5) South Kanan Dume Road (R)
6) Mulholland (L)
7) Cold Canyon Road (R)
8) Piuma Road (L)
9) Piuma Road / Rambla Pacifico St
10) Las Flores Canyon Road (L)
11) PCH (L)
12) Topanga Canyon Road (L)
13) Fernwood Pacific Dr (L)
14) Fernwood Pacific Dr / Tuna Canyon Road
15) Tuna Canyon Road / Saddle Peak Road
16) Saddle Peak / Stunt Road
17) Mulholland (R)
18) Las Virgenesse Road (R)
19) Lost Hills Road (L)
20) Agoura Road (R)
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So, any suggestions would be appreciated!

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Old 10-30-07, 10:02 PM   #2
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Your route has you taking Las Virgenes/Malibu Canyon Rd to PCH. IMO, although I'm sure some others might disagree, that's a somewhat dangerous way to go. Shoulders are non-existent in spots, tons of traffic, and going through the tunnel is a risk. I know some ride it but I rarely see cyclists on that road. More common to take one of the other canyon roads. Perhaps someone can suggest a good alternative.

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All,

I've started my training for the KOM for next year and I'm looking at doing a ride in the Santa Monica's this Saturday considering that Palomar is closed here in Diego. I'm looking for some suggestions on the route that I'm planning on below. I'm using some of the Mulholland Challenge route but shorten it. I just don't have the stamina to do the entire '07 Mulholland route so basically, I want to eliminate as many flat spots as well as areas on this route where water and food (Quicki Mart etc) might be available. So here goes:

Start
1) Start Agoura Road + Las Virgenes Rd to Lost Hills Road (R)
2) Las Virgenes Road / Malibu Canyon Road (R)
3) PCH (R)
4) Latigo Canyon Road (R)
5) South Kanan Dume Road (R)
6) Mulholland (L)
7) Cold Canyon Road (R)
8) Piuma Road (L)
9) Piuma Road / Rambla Pacifico St
10) Las Flores Canyon Road (L)
11) PCH (L)
12) Topanga Canyon Road (L)
13) Fernwood Pacific Dr (L)
14) Fernwood Pacific Dr / Tuna Canyon Road
15) Tuna Canyon Road / Saddle Peak Road
16) Saddle Peak / Stunt Road
17) Mulholland (R)
18) Las Virgenesse Road (R)
19) Lost Hills Road (L)
20) Agoura Road (R)
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So, any suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Ian in SD
That looks sweet. You mean Right onto Mulholland towards from Kanan to Cold Canyon I think.

You won't have any trouble with water. You'll be able to get stuff at:

3> PCH before Latigo at a 76 station
6> Rock Store on Mulholland after the Rock Store descent
11> PCH at the bottom of Las Flores
13> Topanga Canyon & Ferwood Pacific

Don't hit Topanga from PCH too late in the day, traffic can make that a little tight. If you don't want to deal with that traffic, instead of going down Las Flores to PCH, go across Saddle Peak to Tuna Canyon and go Tuna Canyon to PCH. Then come back up on PCH to Las Flores and go back up there. Las Flores is steeper, but shorter than the Topanga / Fernwood climb.
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You could always decend tuna, then turn around and climb back up. Its a great climb
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I've ridden Las Virgines to PCH. I do it early mornings sometimes and climb a canyon route like Latigo, Mullholland or Encinal back. There are a few areas of concern and the tunnel is one of them.

While it is rideable just be cautious and watch for debris on the road...

This is also part of the KOM Mulholland Challenge route.

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All,

I've started my training for the KOM for next year and I'm looking at doing a ride in the Santa Monica's this Saturday considering that Palomar is closed here in Diego. I'm looking for some suggestions on the route that I'm planning on below. I'm using some of the Mulholland Challenge route but shorten it. I just don't have the stamina to do the entire '07 Mulholland route so basically, I want to eliminate as many flat spots as well as areas on this route where water and food (Quicki Mart etc) might be available. So here goes:

Start
1) Start Agoura Road + Las Virgenes Rd to Lost Hills Road (R)
2) Las Virgenes Road / Malibu Canyon Road (R)
3) PCH (R)
4) Latigo Canyon Road (R)
5) South Kanan Dume Road (R)
6) Mulholland (L)
7) Cold Canyon Road (R)
8) Piuma Road (L)
9) Piuma Road / Rambla Pacifico St
10) Las Flores Canyon Road (L)
11) PCH (L)
12) Topanga Canyon Road (L)
13) Fernwood Pacific Dr (L)
14) Fernwood Pacific Dr / Tuna Canyon Road
15) Tuna Canyon Road / Saddle Peak Road
16) Saddle Peak / Stunt Road
17) Mulholland (R)
18) Las Virgenesse Road (R)
19) Lost Hills Road (L)
20) Agoura Road (R)
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So, any suggestions would be appreciated!

Thanks,

Ian in SD
Hi Ian, that's quite a route you have planned. I do about 1/2 that on a typical 8000ft day. I think you go left on Mulholland at #17. I'm riding up Angeles Crest this Saturday, wanna join us?
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#6 should be R and #17 should be L
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There are a few areas of concern and the tunnel is one of them.
+1. That Malibu Cyn tunnel is a death trap. If you're in a large group, it's not as bad. But if you're solo or just a couple riders, your strategy needs to be at one extreme or the other -- either be aggressive and take the whole lane (once you've established that the car behind you sees you), or simply wait until there are no cars coming.
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Just wanted to thank everyone on their input on my route slip. Reviewing the route I just posted thru Google Earth, it appears that maybe I've bitten off more than I can handle at this point in my training. I'll probably think more about concentrating on the area near Stunt and Piuma and PCH and avoid the areas that everyone mentions (Malibu Canyon tunnel for example). Gradient wise and mileage it's probably more to what I'm looking for.

VB, I'm probably not ready to do a ride with a group to AC at this point. I'm a bit slow right now and definitely do not want to hold off your group ride, but thanks. Hopefully by Jan, I'll feel a bit more confident then.
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A great Stunt-Piuma loop would start at the intersection of Mulholland and Las Virgenes. Head East on Muholland, right on Cold Canyon, left on Piuma, left on Schuren, continue on saddle peak until it dead-ends into Tuna, flip a u turn, back on Saddle Peak, right on Stunt, left on Mulholland, back to your car. Its about 35 miles, and around 3500 ft of climbing.
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I'd like to do some part(s) of this route, but would be coming from the ocean side (probably PCH near Santa Monica or Malibu).

Where would you all recommend starting? Is Topanga a good way to get up to Mulholland, or would it be better to start into the mountains further up the coast?
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Hi Ian, that's quite a route you have planned. I do about 1/2 that on a typical 8000ft day. I think you go left on Mulholland at #17. I'm riding up Angeles Crest this Saturday, wanna join us?
Angeles Crest? Saturday? What time are you going? If it's in the morning, I might join.
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I'd like to do some part(s) of this route, but would be coming from the ocean side (probably PCH near Santa Monica or Malibu).

Where would you all recommend starting? Is Topanga a good way to get up to Mulholland, or would it be better to start into the mountains further up the coast?
Going up Topanga is fine until about mid afternoon on weekends. Up until about 9am, it seems like fully half the traffic is bicycle traffic. After mid afternoon you get a lot of people going back home to the valley.
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Angeles Crest? Saturday? What time are you going? If it's in the morning, I might join.
So far Laura and I are riding up to the Shell Station at the 210 and the 2 meeting there at 8:30. I'm riding up from Glendale and she from So Pas. We are heading for Newcombs and maybe Cloudburst. Join us.
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Going up Topanga is fine until about mid afternoon on weekends. Up until about 9am, it seems like fully half the traffic is bicycle traffic. After mid afternoon you get a lot of people going back home to the valley.
Thanks, Ron. I guess I have one less excuse to start doing more climbing rides.


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