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    Has coddling tendencies. KiddSisko's Avatar
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    Bikes are in the news!

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    Call me cynical, but what I see there: "Let's get those annoying bikes off our roads, so we can enjoy our god-given right to talking on our cell phones while driving."

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
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    Beat me to it...foiled at every turn I am...

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    that's great news! I'm glad there is some kind of plan for more paths. I'm all for it, people in Socal drive like sociopaths.

    The one problem I see w/ the Metrorail is that bikes are not allowed during busy times. I see their point, as you are taking space w/ the bike but is there a way to take your bike no matter what time it happens to be? Do they have racks on the Metro now or ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    Call me cynical, but what I see there: "Let's get those annoying bikes off our roads, so we can enjoy our god-given right to talking on our cell phones while driving."
    Yeah! But at least cyclists will be assured of their God given right to ride on MUPs at 23mph with iPod headphones stuffed in their ears.

    Fair is fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cruiserhead View Post
    that's great news! I'm glad there is some kind of plan for more paths. I'm all for it, people in Socal drive like sociopaths.

    The one problem I see w/ the Metrorail is that bikes are not allowed during busy times. I see their point, as you are taking space w/ the bike but is there a way to take your bike no matter what time it happens to be? Do they have racks on the Metro now or ??

    I'll bet those bans on regular bikes during rush hour will be lifted eventually. I hope so.

    Folding bikes are allowed any time. They're cute. There are racks for bikes on all the buses.

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    The CalTrain between San Jose and San Francisco has one car dedicated to bicycles. There are no seats on the bottom level. The bikes lean against each wall, sometimes as many as 4 or 5 deep. I think it works real well and maybe our subways/trains would adopt something like that if bike usage increased.

    I used to take Metrolink with my bike and I did hear people complain about dodging all the bikes near the exit and their concern of getting grease on their clothes. The dedicated car would take care of this.

    When you are on the platform, it can sometimes be tricky to guess which car you should board where there is adequate space for your bike. With the dedicated car always in the same position (on the CalTrain, it is always the northernmost car), the bikes know where to board.

    As for the dedicated bike paths, I am in favor of these. If a particular path doesn't work for a bicyclist, they can always ride on the street as they do today. Local municipalities cannot prevent a bicycle on a public street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    Call me cynical, but what I see there: "Let's get those annoying bikes off our roads, so we can enjoy our god-given right to talking on our cell phones while driving."
    Vanceypoo, they (we) are going to talk on their (our) cell phones until July 2008 anyway. Then they (we) will talk into their (our) "hands free" devices. I think a safe bike path away from all the talking and driving would be just great.

    However, I AM cynical (no one need call me it) that it will ever come to fruition.

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    Mary do you ride on PCH?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alicestrong View Post
    Mary do you ride on PCH?
    I just know there's a catch to this question.

    Why, yes, Alice, I do at times ride PCH. I've ridden it mostly from Malibu up north which feels far safer (feels is the operative word here). I do not like to ride it anywhere NEAR Santa Monicaish area.

    Why do you ask? Hmmmm?

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    No catch. I was just curious as I think it's a really scary place to ride, that's all...

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    It is scary... The worst part is between SM and Pepperdine.

    Iím not crazy about it, but I do it every weekend - usually in a group though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedee View Post
    Iím not crazy about it, but I do it every weekend - usually in a group though.
    Exactly my thoughts. I won't ride it alone, but our Wed ride usually includes the stretch from Pepperdine to Topanga.

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    Yeah, PCH is not my favorite for sure. The view is lovely, but the speeding traffic...not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    Exactly my thoughts. I won't ride it alone, but our Wed ride usually includes the stretch from Pepperdine to Topanga.
    Between Topanga and Temescal, thereís three or four places where the shoulder completely disappears, and you have to take the lane. That's where you really want to be with a pack.

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    Ed Reyes is full of crap

    [QUOTE=merider1;5840999]Vanceypoo, they (we) are going to talk on their (our) cell phones until July 2008 anyway. Then they (we) will talk into their (our) "hands free" devices. I think a safe bike path away from all the talking and driving would be just great.

    However, I AM cynical (no one need call me it) that it will ever come to fruition.[/QUOTE

    I use to work as a press secretary for one of the councilpersons in city hall and Ed Reyes is not known as a mover and shaker. He's full of crap. He needs to clean up the facilities he has in his district now. I've been riding around Dodger stadium and other parts of his district. The paths he does have are full of trash, human feces and plain ghetto. The parks are unkempt. He needs to stop looking at some pie in the sky bike paths and clean up his district.

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    Not reported in the article, but mentioned in the accompanying TV news clip, the goal is to have a working plan completed by 2009. I'd be curious who all is behind this, providing Ed Reyes with insight and incentive. A genuinely positive and proactive step (for those immediately effected and benefited by bike paths in their communities) would be to follow up with calls, questions and criticisms, plus offer public support in whatever way would be helpful.

    I'm not aware of the bike community here in LA being as politically active as the San Fran bike community. The San Fran area bike community, while definitely active, is also known for it's loud, "streety", disruptive tactics that irritate and polarize the majority of car commuters. Attention getting, sure, but not very productive. I certainly wouldn't support or participate in those kind of tactics here in LA. One thing that would be helpful while the LA plan is being hatched, is for the planning office to provide regular updates and progress reports to the bike community through direct communication outlets such as BF. In fact, I'm surprised we had to learn about this plan through my chance stumbling across it while searching for local news items on the rainfall. They should be playing to the LA bike community strengths, part of which is social networking and information sharing services such as BF! Give BF some info and it'll spread fast! We'll probably buy the t-shirts and jerseys too. Social rides, parades, you name it.

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    Speaking of politically active (and of "streety" tactics that may irritate certain people--oh nooooooes!!!1!1!1!), you are all cordially invited to join a group of us on Friday night when we adorn our bikes with festive lights and ride through the Festival of Lights at Griffith Park from which we have been foolishly and illegally banned. Meet at the Mulholland Fountain at Riverside Drive and Los Feliz at 7:30, ride at 8:00.

    There is a very slight risk of receiving a (totally illegitimate) citation if you come with us. It should be noted that we expect to be riding through total vehicular gridlock the entire time, though, so the chances of park officials pursuing us, even if they wanted to, seem pretty slim. Anyway, we're not planning to make trouble or stop the show--indeed, we'll be contributing to it--so we don't anticipate any major conflict.

    I'm told that battery powered colored lights are available at IKEA for cheap.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedee View Post
    Between Topanga and Temescal, thereís three or four places where the shoulder completely disappears, and you have to take the lane. That's where you really want to be with a pack.
    I agree with the Speedster, between Topanga and Temescal is the worst section. A mirror really helps here as you have to go into the traffic lane a lot. I jump on the bike path to go further south no matter how jam packed it is.

    I don't mind north (west) of Topanga at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Placid Casual View Post

    There is a very slight risk of receiving a (totally illegitimate) citation if you come with us. It should be noted that we expect to be riding through total vehicular gridlock the entire time, though, so the chances of park officials pursuing us, even if they wanted to, seem pretty slim. Anyway, we're not planning to make trouble or stop the show--indeed, we'll be contributing to it--so we don't anticipate any major conflict.

    I'm told that battery powered colored lights are available at IKEA for cheap.
    PC, I've already beaten you to this. Yup...I've broken the law. A group of us did this a couple of years ago (2005) and it isn't worth it. It really is dangerous and there is no point to it. The guards/police will ask you to get off the road and walk your bike (especially if there are tons of pedestrians on the sides walking in the dirt). And the motorists will have a hard time seeing you with all the lights and distractions. Bascially, if one were to hit you, I doubt they'd be seen as responsible in the eyes of the law. Good luck!

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    [QUOTE=grrlyrida;5841605]
    Quote Originally Posted by merider1 View Post

    I use to work as a press secretary for one of the councilpersons in city hall and Ed Reyes is not known as a mover and shaker. He's full of crap. He needs to clean up the facilities he has in his district now. I've been riding around Dodger stadium and other parts of his district. The paths he does have are full of trash, human feces and plain ghetto. The parks are unkempt. He needs to stop looking at some pie in the sky bike paths and clean up his district.
    +1 Excellent point, Vanessa!

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    OK, let me rephrase that:

    Those of you who are not total defeatists are cordially invited to join us (etc., etc.)
    Simplistic Ideologies R Coffins

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomson View Post
    The CalTrain between San Jose and San Francisco has one car dedicated to bicycles. There are no seats on the bottom level. The bikes lean against each wall, sometimes as many as 4 or 5 deep. I think it works real well and maybe our subways/trains would adopt something like that if bike usage increased.

    I used to take Metrolink with my bike and I did hear people complain about dodging all the bikes near the exit and their concern of getting grease on their clothes. The dedicated car would take care of this.

    When you are on the platform, it can sometimes be tricky to guess which car you should board where there is adequate space for your bike. With the dedicated car always in the same position (on the CalTrain, it is always the northernmost car), the bikes know where to board.

    As for the dedicated bike paths, I am in favor of these. If a particular path doesn't work for a bicyclist, they can always ride on the street as they do today. Local municipalities cannot prevent a bicycle on a public street.
    Ooooh, i'd love to have a dedicated bicycle car (or at least section that holds more than 2 bikes securely) when i'm riding metrolink. I'm lucky that i take the train at relatively off hours (Upland<->Union Station at 4:43AM for the first train inbound to LA or 3:20PM to head home) and can usually find an empty spot for my bike, but there have been afew occasions where we'd have 4 or maybe 5 bicycles stacked in that little space and i'd have to get out my bungie cord to keep the bikes from falling over...

    Alas, i still fear that there still aren't enough regular bike commuters who use metrolink to justify more room for bicycles.

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