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    New info for upcoming Rose Bowl ride

    This was posted yesterday at socalcycling.com

    Important Info for All Rose Bowl Ride Riders

    From the Rose Bowl Ride Ad Hoc Committee
    3/6/08 - We have spent the past six months in negotiations with the City of Pasadena regarding the Tuesday / Thursday Rose Bowl “Peloton” Ride. The meetings have been very positive, and we are working with the city to address the needs of all users. We are pleased with the outcome. The ride will continue! We have developed a set of rules and guidelines for the members of the peloton in order to ensure the safety of the ride and its continued existence. The ride depends on all of us. Please read the rules document, print it out, sign it and bring it to your first ride. The ride will begin on Tuesday, March 11 at 5:55. If you have any questions contact the Ad Hoc Committee: Mark Rich, Chris Ziegler, Chris Keller, Robert Llamas, and Katie Safford.

    link for more info (word format): http://socalcycling.com/press/2008/RBrules2.doc

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    Seems like a good compromise.

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    Hi,

    Agreed. I think that the plan is good. Hopefully the cyclists will follow the rules. That way the only variable will be other users of the roads. I hope that it works out.
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    The last 2 rides have gone very well. Nobody swarmed cars, nobody got out of line, and most dumb mistakes were dealt with well.

    Heres my opinion on a certain phenomenom:

    There are always some people on group rides who don't know how to keep their ******** mouths shut. It's one thing to call someone out when they mess up, but it's another to constantly be screaming like a big ******** baby. Not only do the loudmouths rarely get their point across, but there seems to be a trend: the more overweight and less fit an individual is, the more they scream and yell. Overcompensating? I think so.

    Aside from not being helpful, all of the screaming makes runners and joggers think that us cyclists are a bunch of psychopaths. Most of them don't know whats happening, and a lot of them think we're yelling at them. If a rider makes a mistake, approach them and tell them what they did wrong. Screaming at them from 10 wheels back as you're getting dropped isn't going to help anyone learn. On Thursday's ride, someone kept riding in the buffer zone. After the ride, my friend approached him and simply told him that's not allowed and that it's one of the reasons the ride almost got shut down. He also told him that when he first started riding, he made the same mistake, so don't worry about it and don't take it personal. Problem solved and lesson learned without any bad vibes or hurt feelings.

    Is that too much to ask?
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    This is what Bob Llamas (one of the committee members) had to say: (From www.velobuddies.com)

    Rose Bowl Loop Pedestrian Safety Meeting
    February 26th, 2008
    By Robert Llamas
    The meeting tonight was interesting and I will try and briefly summarize what went down, although being brief isn't one of my strong suits.
    The meeting lasted from 7:00 to about 9:15 PM or so. Someone counted about 80 people in attendance. Represented were walkers (both recreational and racer-walkers), runners, dog walkers, pedestrian users, golfers, residents, and, of course, a few cyclists. There was one woman representing the equestrians (We probably made up about 40% or so of the people there.) Not represented were any skaters, soccer or baseball players. Uncharacteristically silent were the golfers and, while in attendance, none spoke up.
    The City outlined what they were trying to achieve-a coordinated use of the Rose Bowl as a common recreational use area that accommodates all users and promotes the safety of all. At issue was to get MOST of the people to walk counterclock-wise so all are facing oncoming traffic. This is an important issue because many of the initial complaints about the peloton were from walkers and others who were "surprised" and/or "frightened" by the peloton coming up on them from behind. One of the city council members had even testified at one of the Council meetings that he felt "intimidated" (while at the same time being "fascinated and awed by it") when the peloton came up on him from behind. As most of you will recognize, these complaints essentially resulted from pedestrians not obeying the law and walking the wrong way.
    Now I said one of the goals the City is to try to get MOST of the people to walk in the right direction. There were a couple of people who spoke about how they and their 80 year old mother used the RB and they (understandably) didn't make the 3.1 mile circuit and would double back and walk the other way. So there will be exceptions and we should not expect everyone to follow the clockwise rule. The City made it abundantly clear that they would not be ticketing people for this. However, at the same time, the City will be doing educational endeavors (e.g., the Mayor's Walk--who, by the way, is a cyclist) to get people to walk in the correct direction. The City has hired a PR firm and has pamphlets they are handing out; they've put up signage; have laminated "posters" on the pavement to indicate the direction of traffic, and they passed out our "Rules of Etiquette" at the meeting. (I will have a copy of these rules to post on PAA-groups soon.) Besides these rules, the Rose Bowl people have agreed with us to shut down the south entrance to parking lot K (the entrance right after the bridge) during the ride to prevent people from turning (illegally) left into the lot and to prevent people from exiting out of the lot. This is a pinch point and causes a dangerous situation to cyclists and pedestrians alike.
    To make a long story short, the meeting went well. Every complaint was reasonably countered or clarified. Most surprising to me were people who came out of the woodwork to testify on our behalf. I mean, little old ladies who said things like "I walk down here all the time and I really think the cyclists are ("cool," "charming," etc.). Yes, CHARMING! When was the last time we were called that?! I mean, we couldn't have engineered better support.
    In closing, the era of a testosterone crazed, foaming at the mouth, expletive ejaculating peloton has to end--or the peloton will end. I would hope that everyone is with us on this one.
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    Sounds like a good idea. This will make things safe for everybody and give fuel for any argument against a rider's indiscretion.

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    did anyone go on Tuesday's ride, how many people were riding?

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    man there were soo many people there on tues... wow.
    Enzo you make a good point but i have seen members of your team systematically yelling at walkers who are going in the "wrong" direction or walking in the buffer zone it's important for all of us to be responsible..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dolophonic View Post
    man there were soo many people there on tues... wow.
    Enzo you make a good point but i have seen members of your team systematically yelling at walkers who are going in the "wrong" direction or walking in the buffer zone it's important for all of us to be responsible..
    I agree with you 100%. As far as I know, there was only one person on our team doing that, and we've talked to him about it and he won't be doing it anymore. Now that the city is stepping in and doing something about it, there is no need for any of us cyclists to take out our frustration on walkers or runners.

    One of our riders is part of the committee, so we feel as responsible as anyone to make sure we do our part.

    There is still a long way to go for all the cyclists, though. For example, before the ride on Tuesday, the lady talking made it very clear that if there are cars ahead, DO NOT swarm them. Slow down behind them and let them know they can go ahead and not wait for us. I clearly remember on one of the last few laps, one of my teammates was off the front and came up behind a slow moving car. He stood up and raised his hand all the way in the air to signal for everyone to stop, and the majority of the riders blew by the car on the right and left.

    It's easy to get mad at these cars, but look at it from their perspective: They've got 150 bikes barreling down on them, and they have no idea what to do. One wrong move on their part, and they could be responsible for killing someone. Most of these people would rather just stop and be a stationary object rather than try and continue moving. I don't blame them, and us swarming them on both sides and yelling is only going to make the problem worse.

    When you're in a car on a single lane road with a double yellow line, and there is a slow moving car ahead, you don't blow by it on whatever side you want. You wait. And thats what we need to start doing. This rides demise will be just as much our faults as it is the ignorant pedestrians and motorists.
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    just did it thursday night. it was pretty good, we (mostly) all waited for the cars and such. still a few idiots and there always will be, with headphones, i won't call out their names just yet but you can probably guess who they are. the other problem that needs a little attention is when 20 riders are yelling 'slowing' from the middle of the pack for a car up ahead that we can't see there always seemed to be one fool who decides that it is a good way for him to move up from the back of the middle third to the front of the middle third when everyone else is on the brakes

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    how do people yell during this ride. i can barely breathe! or see. or think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzwillzzz View Post
    just did it thursday night. it was pretty good, we (mostly) all waited for the cars and such. still a few idiots and there always will be, with headphones, i won't call out their names just yet but you can probably guess who they are. the other problem that needs a little attention is when 20 riders are yelling 'slowing' from the middle of the pack for a car up ahead that we can't see there always seemed to be one fool who decides that it is a good way for him to move up from the back of the middle third to the front of the middle third when everyone else is on the brakes
    Please tell me that the idiots were not riding in the peloton!

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    i wouldn't be talking about anyone else. the handout that the committee asks us to sign specifically reads 'no headphones of cellphones'. some of these idiots are cat1 riders. i still feel safer in the middle of a rose bowl ride than i do on a sfvbc ride or similar

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzwillzzz View Post
    i wouldn't be talking about anyone else. the handout that the committee asks us to sign specifically reads 'no headphones of cellphones'. some of these idiots are cat1 riders. i still feel safer in the middle of a rose bowl ride than i do on a sfvbc ride or similar
    Wow, Will. I'm shocked by that and mainly for safety reasons.

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    There is a certain attitude by some Cat 1-2 riders. This is not something new, it is same attitude of riders who will do training rides and put there helmet over the front of there handlebars.. It is hopeful that these riders get the boot if they continue doing this.

    As riders we should self police and call them out. You have to understand that the city is trying to be accomodating but the truth is that they want to kill off this ride. They have been trying to do so for over a decade..

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    Myself and one of my friends have headphones: what makes you assume we've got our music on while we're riding?

    I ride to the bowl with music playing and ride back home with it playing... I just turn it off when it comes time for the actual ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo Gucci View Post
    what makes you assume we've got our music on while we're riding?
    I think one could assume that a rider with an ear piece in his/her ear has music playing. That isn't an outrageous assumption, and given the environment of late with many of the ride participants trying to improve how the ride operates so that the city leaves the ride alone, etc., seeing riders with headphones might not settle well with some of the riders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by merider1 View Post
    I think one could assume that a rider with an ear piece in his/her ear has music playing. That isn't an outrageous assumption, and given the environment of late with many of the ride participants trying to improve how the ride operates so that the city leaves the ride alone, etc., seeing riders with headphones might not settle well with some of the riders.
    I don't have a problem with that, but if people have an issue with something, they should take it up with the rider and settle the problem on the spot rather than call them idiots and let it bug them. Some of those "idiot Cat 1" riders are my friends.
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    in my book, everyone is either an idiot or an a-hole. if you're slower than me, you're an idiot. if you're faster than me, you're just an a-hole.

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    Well, that and the word "idiot" really isn't all that harsh (more said in frustration is how I read it). You guys are all so testosterone laddened. None of you should take any of it seriously except the safety factor.

    My two cents only, of course...I don't do this ride (which would be safety hazard for sure if I did), but I do like to watch you men go around that bowl. I'm all in support of it and don't like to hear of any crashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucklehead View Post
    in my book, everyone is either an idiot or an a-hole. if you're slower than me, you're an idiot. if you're faster than me, you're just an a-hole.

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    This man speaks the truth 100%. In my case, there are a lot of a**holes out there, haha.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chucklehead View Post
    if you're slower than me, you're an idiot. if you're faster than me, you're just an a-hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enzo Gucci View Post
    Myself and one of my friends have headphones: what makes you assume we've got our music on while we're riding?

    I ride to the bowl with music playing and ride back home with it playing... I just turn it off when it comes time for the actual ride.
    I do the same, it's easier than removing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpconrad View Post
    I do the same, it's easier than removing it.
    Because that ear piece is so heavy and all weighing in at .02 ounces, taking it out of your ear and stuffing it in your pocket takes at least six seconds and who has that kind of time?...

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    That would be fine if I didn't have a helmet.

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