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    Donut Ride Info

    Just passing this on...



    Hey Everyone,

    I'm sorry this is long but I ensure your it's very important. Please forward this to the other local clubs and/or friends who cycle.

    I just got home from the Palos Verdes Estates Police Department. I met with the captain of the department, Mark Velez and one officer (last name Ghazarian), about the incident with the green Prius on Paseo del Mar.

    For those of you who were not there and didn't hear what happened, after turning onto Paseo del Mar, a driver in a Prius speed around us honking his horn, swerved in front of the pack and slammed on the brakes. He accelerated away from us then slammed on the brakes again. He stopped farther up the road then jumped out of his car as we passed, almost hitting people with his door. As we passed him, he was screaming profanities, calling us all ***** and telling us to get off the road. G3 and I stayed behind to phone the police and report the incident. I informed him we were phoning the police and had taken down his license plate and he told us he didn't care and to go ahead and call them; that they are all his friends and they wouldn't do anything about it. He also told me that I'd "better get my skinny ass on my bike and start pedaling or he'd thump me." I actually took this as more of a compliment since I've been trying to slim down.

    Captain Velez is also professor at USC and I took his class in 2006. Eric Bruins, one of my teammates was there on Saturday and is currently in his class. He told him about what happened and Capt. Velez told him to have me file a report at the station. I met with him today for about an hour and explained to him what happened. We filled out an incident report and detectives will be following up with the driver of the Prius. They will take his statement then contact me and tell me my options, if any. Based on my description of the incident, since nobody was injured in any way, they can't pursue it as a criminal charge. It is being treated as an infraction and he might only receive a warning and a slap on the wrist.

    While I spoke to Capt. Velez and Officer Ghazarian, I tried to explain to them that we are aware that there are times on our rides cars are unable to pass us and that we've appreciated the way the officers on duty have been handling the situation by following us, asking us to move over, then escorting vehicles past us. I told them this is the kind of support that will make it safer for us on the roads and will help alleviate some of the congestion our ride causes on the narrower PV roads. Capt. Velez seemed to not care about us blocking the road as much and said he didn't understand why people were always in such a hurry and couldn't just wait an extra minute to get around us. Officer Ghazarian was of the differing opinion that we should follow the vehicle code, regardless. They looked up the vehicle code on bicycles during our meeting and came to an agreement that we can ride more then single file, ie 2x2 or 3x3, so long as it doesn't impede the flow of traffic in any way. As soon as it does, we need to move over.

    The PVE PD is having a meeting tomorrow to discuss cyclists in the area, but not about any of these issues specifically. The main issue on the table is whether they will be spending money on share the road signs. I told him while the share the road signs are nice, they don't do much to alleviate any of the bigger issues since most cars don't even follow the speed limit signs. He completely agreed.

    He told me about how many complaints they get from drivers about us running stop signs/lights or blocking the road and gave the obvious impression that drivers are taking more action to get us off the road then we are to stay on the road. This is something that needs to change and is one of the main reasons why I took the time to follow up on this incident. Too many times things like this go unreported and often times it's the cyclist who gets cited for doing something stupid (throwing waters bottles, kicking doors, etc.) in retaliation to the driver's who endanger their life. We've all heard stories like this, example: A cyclist has garbage thrown at them so they throw a water bottle at the car and the driver calls the police. The cyclists gets cited for throwing an object at a moving vehicle. I told him I want the statistics to reflect that we aren't the only problem on the road, and that we are frequently assaulted by angry drivers or drivers who don't want us on the road at all. Their recommendations were as follows:

    Immediately call the police. DO NOT call 911. They transfer you to the CHP who will take to long to get to the scene. Instead, get the driver's plate number and call the Palos Verdes Estates PD Dispatch. Their number is: (310) 378-4211. They will send an officer to the scene to take a report and try to deal with it immediately.
    DO NOT RETALIATE in any way or try to talk to the person. They told me I was wrong to talk to the guy when he was stopped in the road. More for safety reasons; not knowing if he had a weapon...stuff like that.
    Don't cry wolf. They asked that we be careful to report actual offenses and not every little thing that happens.

    They told me what all of us already know, if we follow the vehicle code, and don't block travel lanes when we're going slower then the speed limit, and move over to make room when people are shouting "car back," then incidents of road rage like this will happen less frequently. I told them we're aware of this and are trying to be better about it but it's hard to keep 150+ people under control on narrow roads.

    On a personal note, I'm glad nobody didn't anything to retaliate, like kick the guys door, but I'm really disappointed that only 2 of the 150 or so people riding that day stopped to report it. When somebody does something that egregious, I would expect everyone stop and file a report. I'm not asking people to stay behind and kick the person's ass, because that's foolish. I just expect more people to want to do something about it when their lives are placed in danger. I've been hearing a lot more chatter on the group rides about needing to report more incidents but when the time to act came, everyone went on with their ride.

    I don't want to see anyone hurt or killed because they ran a stop sign or moved out into the street because they wanted to move up to the front. You hear about terrible accidents like what just happened in Cupertino and realize how easy it is for us to lose our lives on the road. In that instance, there was nothing they could do to help themselves, but not for us. We can take action and fight for our right to safely ride the roads. If we take the time to report these incidents without retaliating, the city officials will realize the problem is on both ends and things will start to improve. None of us want our family members to receive a phone call that we were injured or killed so I urge all of you to make the effort to be safer on the roads and not stand by idly and hope things improve on their own.


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    Jared Shier
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    a prius?

    if it hits me, is it really gonna hurt?

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    So what happened to the prius dude?
    I see hills.... Bring them on!!!
    Stay calm and bring a towel.

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    Thanks for the info ans encouragement about reporting incidents with autos. I ride in PV a lot and for some reason their dispatch number didn't get added in my cell with the rest of the local police departments.
    GO KINGS GO

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    Beautiful. Well played by Jared (and G3?). Thanks for relaying. With all the efforts like this and the Rose Bowl communications, I hope it starts to sink in with everyone. I know it will take a long time to change large-group behavior, but we can get there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedee View Post
    Just passing this on...


    ... Based on my description of the incident, since nobody was injured in any way, they can't pursue it as a criminal charge. It is being treated as an infraction and he might only receive a warning and a slap on the wrist. ...
    WHAT A DAMN WEENIE!!! TYPICAL OF PV ESTATES .. THEY CARE MORE ABOUT THE HOUSING CODE AND THEIR TERRA COTTA TILES THAN CYCLISTS!

    DAMIT I'M PISSED......WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU GUYS IS ROAD RAGE!!!

    NEXT TIME CALL 911 AND TELL THEM THAT YOU'RE RIDING YOUR BIKE (AS IN MOTORCYCLE) ....ROAD RAGE IS A 911 CALL........THAT SITUATION YOU EXPLAINED COULD HAVE ENDED REALLY BAD........AND IF THAT HAPPENS AGAIN JUST TELL THE COPS THAT SOMEONE SAID THEY SAW A ***.....I MEAN C'MON THE COPS DON'T HAVE TIME TO RESPOND TO ANYTHING THESE DAYS AND COULD CARE LESS ABOUT TAKING A POLICE REPORT......GOOD THING YOU NEW THE GUY OR ELSE THEY PROBABLY WOULD HAVE TAKEN YOUR BIKE.

    SHEESH

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    Settle down there Beavis
    just being

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronjon10 View Post
    Settle down there Beavis
    okay butthead .. i always get excited when it comes to the law and their apathy towards cyclists

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    I was there that day and it was scary. The guy went absolutely nuts when we rode by him. No way I would have stopped.

    Speed limit=take the lane

    Slower than speed limit=move over.

    That's the advice the cop gave me that day. Sounds like they are sticking to it.

    The phone number thing is true... The PVPD are fasssst if you call dispatch. I grew up there, ask me how I know.

    Thanks for forwarding this Greg.
    Last edited by badfishgood; 03-12-08 at 10:02 AM.
    Shallow genius, deep idiot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMac View Post
    I know it will take a long time to change large-group behavior, but we can get there.
    So does that mean you will be out there again on Saturday?

    Thanks for forwarding that information, Greg. I will pass it along to my non-BF peeps. Please keep us posted on any new developments.

    Btw, at the end of Monday's LA Times' "Road Sage" column, Steve Hymon writes: Next week - Rancho Palos Verdes' Mean Streets. I was wondering if it was going to mention road rage and cyclists so I popped him off an email. No response yet.
    Last edited by Happytime; 03-12-08 at 09:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedee View Post
    He stopped farther up the road then jumped out of his car as we passed, almost hitting people with his door.
    A similar incident happened in the Vista/San Marcos area on February 2nd, except that one of the riders hit the driver and broke his (the rider's) hip and clavicle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badfishgood View Post
    Speed limit=take the lane

    Slower than speed limit=move over.

    That's the advice the cop gave me that day. Sounds like they are sticking to it.
    I could nitpick and say also take the lane if going slower than the speed limit but still too fast to safely move over - but to at least hear the above from the cops is a good thing!

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    btw; A teammate of mine got a ticket last Saturday on the DR. The cops seem to be very picky about blocking traffic where it gets narrow on the hill by the golf course - leading up to PVE. She was in the front of the pack, and pulled off to the left to rotate back - and they ticketed her for blocking traffic. She explained to them how rotating was normal pack procedure. Their reply; if you can’t stay in the front, maybe you shouldn’t be on this ride. Nice!


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    Wow, you guys are getting a beating in PV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speedee View Post
    btw; A teammate of mine got a ticket last Saturday on the DR. The cops seem to be very picky about blocking traffic where it gets narrow on the hill by the golf course - leading up to PVE. She was in the front of the pack, and pulled off to the left to rotate back - and they ticketed her for blocking traffic. She explained to them how rotating was normal pack procedure. Their reply; if you can’t stay in the front, maybe you shouldn’t be on this ride. Nice!
    Ugh, maybe I have to retract my compliment in post #12....

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    just to add .. if you ride your bike in RPV at night watchout for lomita sherrifs doing their speed traps. They have been popping up in lots of new places and even parking their cars on the curb........this can be dangerous if you don't see them early enough and their is a car on your outside.

    just yesterday there was one on hawthorne just after Ralphs were the street winds left down the hill.........so if you were coming down the hill with speed w/a car flanked besides you .. and you saw him late (cause it's super dark there) ..... kaboooom .. right in the kisser.

    just keep your head up
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    Cheers to Jared and G3. Both are outstanding members of our small community.

    I've been riding/ racing with Jared for a couple years now and he's a good kid. G3 was one of the few who stuck around to help out after the pier ride incident a few weeks ago. He demanded blankets from the paramedics when he saw my teammates were shivering on the sidewalk.

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    thanks for posting this.

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