The rights and duties of road cyclist
03-19-09, 02:19 PM
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Wow, I missed some golden responses.
If you're still here Angle, I wasn't saying it was going to happen. I was just saying Mark's thought pattern was leading that way.
And 1955:
If you're still here Angle, I wasn't saying it was going to happen. I was just saying Mark's thought pattern was leading that way.
And 1955:
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03-19-09, 10:11 PM
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I can tell ya this bleep wouldn't be in it https://www.socalbikeforums.com/showp...43&postcount=1 These guys give us all a bad name
03-19-09, 11:32 PM
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Hi Bob,
I think I'm missing something in the post that you linked.
I think I'm missing something in the post that you linked.
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03-20-09, 11:24 AM
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In a perfect world....
How many of those "motorist" behaved because they saw cameras on helmets?? or because there was more than one cyclist?
I ride alone most of the time and for many many years.... thats not how things work!!
Good luck with that!!
Please, all you folks that want bike licenses and reg's and insurance... don't speak for me or any of my friends.
How many of those "motorist" behaved because they saw cameras on helmets?? or because there was more than one cyclist?
I ride alone most of the time and for many many years.... thats not how things work!!
Good luck with that!!
Please, all you folks that want bike licenses and reg's and insurance... don't speak for me or any of my friends.
03-20-09, 02:42 PM
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I have to agree, it looks a lot like 2nd Street. I thought I recognized a lot of the buildings and everything.
I don't think anybody could pay me to use a left turn lane on a bike.
Especially if the speed limit is above 25, case in point, I almost got hit by a car at a red light yesterday because the driver was speeding and probably running late. Maybe he got a ticket later, but if he went on the 405, I can rest assured he was late.
Most of those roads looked to have a speed limit of 25 or slower.
What if you avoid the highway on ramps and arterial/feeder roads altogether? I think I read on the forums some place that the safest way isn't necessarily the shortest way.
I don't think anybody could pay me to use a left turn lane on a bike.
Especially if the speed limit is above 25, case in point, I almost got hit by a car at a red light yesterday because the driver was speeding and probably running late. Maybe he got a ticket later, but if he went on the 405, I can rest assured he was late. Most of those roads looked to have a speed limit of 25 or slower.
What if you avoid the highway on ramps and arterial/feeder roads altogether? I think I read on the forums some place that the safest way isn't necessarily the shortest way.
03-20-09, 03:42 PM
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Good video. Reminds me of "Effective Cycling" John Forrester. I had a copy, but loaned it to a friend and never got it back. I learned a lot from that book.
03-22-09, 12:26 PM
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03-22-09, 02:04 PM
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"Taking the lane" is not illegal if done in the right situation. It may be an unwise idea in the mountain curves, but it's not illegal. Of course, the way some of those motorists drive up there, riding anywhere in the mountains may be an unwise idea
Here are those situations:
And Section 21656 says that if there are 5 or more cars lined up behind, we have to utilize any traffic turn-outs in order to let traffic go by. Of course, if there are none, we don't have to use them.
Here are those situations:
Originally Posted by California Vehicle Code, Division 11, Chapter 1, Article 4, Section 21202
(a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway except under any of the following situations:
(1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.
(2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a "substandard width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
(4) When approaching a place where a right turn is authorized.
(b) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway of a highway, which highway carries traffic in one direction only and has two or more marked traffic lanes, may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of that roadway as practicable.
(1) When overtaking and passing another bicycle or vehicle proceeding in the same direction.
(2) When preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road or driveway.
(3) When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a "substandard width lane" is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane.
(4) When approaching a place where a right turn is authorized.
(b) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway of a highway, which highway carries traffic in one direction only and has two or more marked traffic lanes, may ride as near the left-hand curb or edge of that roadway as practicable.
03-22-09, 02:18 PM
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I ride out into the center on Palomar sometimes to avoid the added grade on inside of the switchbacks. You can hear cars and motocycles on the switchbacks below though so it's easy to move over before they get to you.
03-22-09, 02:33 PM
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Not a bad thing at all. As much as I'd hate to register my bikes, it would reinforce our rights to the roadway. The registration fees should be fairly low and liability should be dirt cheap. (After all, how much damage can you do on a bike? It's not like you're going to wipe out a busload of school children...)
03-22-09, 03:31 PM
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Not a bad thing at all. As much as I'd hate to register my bikes, it would reinforce our rights to the roadway. The registration fees should be fairly low and liability should be dirt cheap. (After all, how much damage can you do on a bike? It's not like you're going to wipe out a busload of school children...)
What you're asking for is not going to change a thing exept that it would give LEOs another opportunity/excuse to harrass cyclists.
Education not TAXATION would reinforce our rights to the roadways.
03-22-09, 04:13 PM
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In a perfect world....
How many of those "motorist" behaved because they saw cameras on helmets?? or because there was more than one cyclist?
I ride alone most of the time and for many many years.... thats not how things work!!
Good luck with that!!
Please, all you folks that want bike licenses and reg's and insurance... don't speak for me or any of my friends.
How many of those "motorist" behaved because they saw cameras on helmets?? or because there was more than one cyclist?
I ride alone most of the time and for many many years.... thats not how things work!!
Good luck with that!!
Please, all you folks that want bike licenses and reg's and insurance... don't speak for me or any of my friends.
If you look at the other videos, though, the "Lane Splitting" video makes me cringe. They claim it is legal in California. I used to live there and I understand it is, kind of, and what I saw in the video, they are within what's legal, but GEEZ I wouldn't have the nerve to do that.
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03-23-09, 03:40 AM
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Bicycle license update:
In December, Police Chief William Bratton, under pressure from the Los Angeles City Council Transportation Committee, placed a moratorium on enforcement of the city's bicycle license law pending its removal from the municipal code (his findings are an interesting read: https://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...c_12-29-08.pdf).
Unfortunately, that little detail is not actually keeping officers from using the law to harass cyclists: https://www.westsidebikeside.com/gues...-get-the-memo/
In December, Police Chief William Bratton, under pressure from the Los Angeles City Council Transportation Committee, placed a moratorium on enforcement of the city's bicycle license law pending its removal from the municipal code (his findings are an interesting read: https://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...c_12-29-08.pdf).
Unfortunately, that little detail is not actually keeping officers from using the law to harass cyclists: https://www.westsidebikeside.com/gues...-get-the-memo/
03-23-09, 07:57 AM
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Not a bad thing at all. As much as I'd hate to register my bikes, it would reinforce our rights to the roadway. The registration fees should be fairly low and liability should be dirt cheap. (After all, how much damage can you do on a bike? It's not like you're going to wipe out a busload of school children...)
Originally Posted by California Vehicle Code, Division 16.7, Section 39004
The fees required to be paid pursuant to this division are as follows:
(a) For each new bicycle license and registration certificate, the sum shall not exceed four dollars ($4) per year or any portion thereof.
(b) For each transfer of registration certificate, the sum shall not exceed two dollars ($2).
(c) For each replacement of a bicycle license or registration certificate, the sum shall not exceed two dollars ($2).
(d) For each bicycle license renewal, the sum shall not exceed two dollars ($2) per year.
(a) For each new bicycle license and registration certificate, the sum shall not exceed four dollars ($4) per year or any portion thereof.
(b) For each transfer of registration certificate, the sum shall not exceed two dollars ($2).
(c) For each replacement of a bicycle license or registration certificate, the sum shall not exceed two dollars ($2).
(d) For each bicycle license renewal, the sum shall not exceed two dollars ($2) per year.
I for one don't want anymore legislation. This government is too far up in my business as it is. I dont need them demanding anymore of my money.
What you're asking for is not going to change a thing exept that it would give LEOs another opportunity/excuse to harrass cyclists.
Education not TAXATION would reinforce our rights to the roadways.
What you're asking for is not going to change a thing exept that it would give LEOs another opportunity/excuse to harrass cyclists.
Education not TAXATION would reinforce our rights to the roadways.
) just don't know or don't recognize it.
03-23-09, 04:34 PM
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"Taking the lane" is not illegal if done in the right situation. It may be an unwise idea in the mountain curves, but it's not illegal. Of course, the way some of those motorists drive up there, riding anywhere in the mountains may be an unwise idea
Here are those situations:
And Section 21656 says that if there are 5 or more cars lined up behind, we have to utilize any traffic turn-outs in order to let traffic go by. Of course, if there are none, we don't have to use them.
Here are those situations:
And Section 21656 says that if there are 5 or more cars lined up behind, we have to utilize any traffic turn-outs in order to let traffic go by. Of course, if there are none, we don't have to use them.
03-23-09, 10:47 PM
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Bicycle license update:
In December, Police Chief William Bratton, under pressure from the Los Angeles City Council Transportation Committee, placed a moratorium on enforcement of the city's bicycle license law pending its removal from the municipal code (his findings are an interesting read: https://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...c_12-29-08.pdf).
Unfortunately, that little detail is not actually keeping officers from using the law to harass cyclists: https://www.westsidebikeside.com/gues...-get-the-memo/
In December, Police Chief William Bratton, under pressure from the Los Angeles City Council Transportation Committee, placed a moratorium on enforcement of the city's bicycle license law pending its removal from the municipal code (his findings are an interesting read: https://clkrep.lacity.org/onlinedocs/...c_12-29-08.pdf).
Unfortunately, that little detail is not actually keeping officers from using the law to harass cyclists: https://www.westsidebikeside.com/gues...-get-the-memo/
GGGRRR there is something seriously wrong there. Thank you for the information I was ignorant of all that.
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