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    08/23 GMR/GRR to Baldy Village and Beyond

    Hi SoCal Forumites,

    Just a quick note (and a link) to let you know that you're all invited to join the OC Rebels on a ride up GMR/GRR to Mt. Baldy Village, with optional pain and suffering (oh, wait, I mean Extra Special Fun ) with the Ski Lifts Bonus Miles (and vertical feet). This Sat., 08/23/2008!

    We'll be starting from Boulder Springs (the only traffic light on GMR) with lift-off at 8:00 AM sharp. Of course, you may join us anywhere along the way!

    This is also a send-off ride for Paul Andrews, a Rebel who is moving to FL (yeah, I know, what is he thinking?) and didn't want to leave still being a GMR Virgin!

    Here's the link: http://www.ocrebels.com/special.htm

    If you have any questions, please PM me!

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    What's the group pace? Fast or the multi-level style like the last one you posted here? Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveSANYYZ View Post
    What's the group pace? Fast or the multi-level style like the last one you posted here? Thanks!
    Hi Dave,

    Very multi-level! The fast riders will fly up GMR, well . . . it will seem that way to us mere mortals (10 - 13 mph). Medium pace riders like myself will be climbing at 7 - 9 mph, while the more leisurely groups will be in the 5 - 6 mph for climbing speed.

    No matter what your speed, there should be several riders either at, or very close to your speed. I think I rode with you on the first part of Ride Around the Bear, so if you're the same speed as you were then (or faster), you'll have no problem!

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    Thanks for posting. I've been wanting to do this ride again for quite a while...maybe I can control my HR a little better this time.

    Anyone who thinks they are too slow...last time I was in the 5-6 mph range for many of the uphill sections and I don't expect to be much faster this time. Feel free to compete for the "Lanterne Rouge" with me.

    Here is my data for the climb to the village last time.
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    Thanks! Wrong Dave though, since I've never done ride around the bear.

    I'll try to make it this Sat; if so see you all then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjbruin View Post
    Thanks for posting. I've been wanting to do this ride again for quite a while...maybe I can control my HR a little better this time.
    Here is my data for the climb to the village last time.
    True cjbruin,

    Your heart rates were up there! I don't know what your MAX is, but those above 170 show that you were really trying to go fast. Unless your MAX is well above 200, in which case, no problem.

    You've got me thinking that I should wear my heart monitor on Sat. and see where I am with that, esp. if I do the Ski Lifts bonus miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
    I don't know what your MAX is, but those above 170 show that you were really trying to go fast. Unless your MAX is well above 200, in which case, no problem.
    193

    I wouldn't say that I was trying to go "fast" but I started a bit harder than I should have and I'm sure that affected me for the rest of the ride. I think I was about 240 lbs at that time so hauling that kind of weight up any hill is pretty difficult.

    Since then, I learned a lot more about my HR zones and pay a lot more attention to them while riding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveSANYYZ View Post
    Thanks! Wrong Dave though, since I've never done ride around the bear.

    I'll try to make it this Sat; if so see you all then.
    Sorry Dave,
    I guess I got my "Daves" mixed up. I did ride with some bikeforums.net "Dave" on The Bear!

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    I think I'll do this one as long as my wife is feeling well enough to be on her own by Saturday (oral surgery on Thursday). I might even ride from my house to the start if I'm feeling brave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
    I think I'll do this one as long as my wife is feeling well enough to be on her own by Saturday (oral surgery on Thursday). I might even ride from my house to the start if I'm feeling brave.
    Sounds good; hope to see you on the mountain! Stop by Boulder Springs if you get there before 8:00 AM, or just pass us on the road if you get there later.

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    I rode up GMR to Baldy Village for the first time in May of this year. I've been a cyclist for most of my life, most of it urban or flat roads. I specifically avoided challenging climbs. That all changed last fall and I began taking on the local Santa Monicas, building up to what for me was a major challenge - the Jan 1st Mt Wilson ride. It was half ride, half videolog sight seeing trip. A lot of stop and start, so not really an official climb. So the idea of doing a climb like GMR really excited me. In fact, I was so excited that first time that I tweaked my hamstrings within the first mile and had to pull back my effort to be able to continue . Despite that muted effort, I had a great time. The weather was perfect, the Village Inn food was wonderful, and the locals were friendly. The only real surprise was how I reacted to the few elevation upticks on the way down. Evidently, I was mentally prepared for just coasting the whole way down . I had to practically whip my legs into spinning up those few remaining hills.

    My effort was solo, and I'm sure it would have been even more fun in a group. Those of you curious about it, go do it and have a ball!

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    Hey KiddSisko,

    Join us on Saturday then. We should have good group, and there is a lunch stop planned at The Village.

    Re: The Way Back, out of the whole distance (44 miles), 20% of the climbing is on the way back. So yeah, you should save a little for that!

    Plus, and esp. if you are a "Climb to the Ski Lifts Virgin" . . . that challenge awaits you! I'm planning on riding to the Ski Lifts, and trying to talk Maria into joining me on that bit. Well, think about it, anyway. You gain 2,000 vertical feet in 4.6 miles. Where else can you do that?

    Rick / OCRR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
    Hey KiddSisko,

    Join us on Saturday then. We should have good group, and there is a lunch stop planned at The Village.

    Re: The Way Back, out of the whole distance (44 miles), 20% of the climbing is on the way back. So yeah, you should save a little for that!

    Plus, and esp. if you are a "Climb to the Ski Lifts Virgin" . . . that challenge awaits you! I'm planning on riding to the Ski Lifts, and trying to talk Maria into joining me on that bit. Well, think about it, anyway. You gain 2,000 vertical feet in 4.6 miles. Where else can you do that?

    Rick / OCRR
    Crikey! Actually, there's a few similar elevation gains beginning at sea level near me, but none of them after already ascending over 4K feet! That's Brandy style crazy!

    Unfortunately, my schedule this weekend won't allow me to join. I'm thinking some time in the fall will be the next ride up there for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
    Hey KiddSisko,

    Join us on Saturday then. We should have good group, and there is a lunch stop planned at The Village.

    Re: The Way Back, out of the whole distance (44 miles), 20% of the climbing is on the way back. So yeah, you should save a little for that!

    Plus, and esp. if you are a "Climb to the Ski Lifts Virgin" . . . that challenge awaits you! I'm planning on riding to the Ski Lifts, and trying to talk Maria into joining me on that bit. Well, think about it, anyway. You gain 2,000 vertical feet in 4.6 miles. Where else can you do that?

    Rick / OCRR
    Rick;
    I am actually thinking about doing those crazy lifts on Saturday. I have done GMR probably a dozen times, had pankaces in the cafeteria but never rode the lifts. I am more worried about going back down than up. Going up is just pain but going down involves overcoming your mental limitations or my mental limitations I should say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
    Sounds good; hope to see you on the mountain! Stop by Boulder Springs if you get there before 8:00 AM, or just pass us on the road if you get there later.

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    Haha, that's funny. I'd be better off getting a head start and letting you guys pass me.

    I'll do the lifts if I start from Boulder Springs or Encanto, and if it's below 80 degrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda003 View Post
    had pancakes in the cafeteria but never rode the lifts
    The restaurant is good excuse. I was determined to try the lifts last year, but wuss out all 4 times. Instead, I just have pancakes/cheese burgers/turkey melts at the restaurant.

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    No kidding, I'd rather relax and have a nice meal than suffer up that crazy road but maybe this coming Saturday is the day to attack the lifts.........especially that I have some serious steam to blow.........it might be theraputic.

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    I have done GMR and GRR several times, but never all the way up to Mt. Baldy.
    Just wondering though, I know GMR/GRR is popular road to junction w/ Mt. Baldy Rd,
    but I never hear of people doing the entire Mt. Baldy Road from its base (in Claremont).
    What's that climb like and why doesn't it seem like a popular option?
    Is the road not in good condition??


    Quote Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
    Hi SoCal Forumites,

    Just a quick note (and a link) to let you know that you're all invited to join the OC Rebels on a ride up GMR/GRR to Mt. Baldy Village, with optional pain and suffering (oh, wait, I mean Extra Special Fun ) with the Ski Lifts Bonus Miles (and vertical feet). This Sat., 08/23/2008!

    We'll be starting from Boulder Springs (the only traffic light on GMR) with lift-off at 8:00 AM sharp. Of course, you may join us anywhere along the way!

    This is also a send-off ride for Paul Andrews, a Rebel who is moving to FL (yeah, I know, what is he thinking?) and didn't want to leave still being a GMR Virgin!

    Here's the link: http://www.ocrebels.com/special.htm

    If you have any questions, please PM me!

    Rick / OCRR

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    I've only gone down Mt Baldy road but never rode up it. From what I heard, it is much more difficult because of the steeper grades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CL39 View Post
    I have done GMR and GRR several times, but never all the way up to Mt. Baldy.
    Just wondering though, I know GMR/GRR is popular road to junction w/ Mt. Baldy Rd,
    but I never hear of people doing the entire Mt. Baldy Road from its base (in Claremont).
    What's that climb like and why doesn't it seem like a popular option?
    Is the road not in good condition??
    I've done the climb several times. I like it, but it's too steep and painful to make for an enjoyable group ride. It's really more suited for solo (or very small group) suffering.
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    By the way, on a related note, I personally believe the easiest way to the ski lift is straight up Baldy Rd. None of this pedaling for miles and miles along GMR/GRR to tire oneself out, none of the rollers on GRR in the way (and adding total elevation)... just get it all over with in one shot. Though if one takes it nice and easy on GMR/GRR, then that can potentially become the easier way to the ski lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CL39 View Post
    I have done GMR and GRR several times, but never all the way up to Mt. Baldy.
    Just wondering though, I know GMR/GRR is popular road to junction w/ Mt. Baldy Rd,
    but I never hear of people doing the entire Mt. Baldy Road from its base (in Claremont).
    What's that climb like and why doesn't it seem like a popular option?
    Is the road not in good condition??
    It's my understanding that there's more traffic along the Clairmont to Baldy road compared with GRR/GMR. People do ride their bikes up there, so it is an option to consider. It's more of a straight shot up, half the distance of GMR/GRR, and there's less scenery.

    Here's a MapMyRide route. If you select the elevation feature, you'll see it's just a steady climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda003 View Post
    Rick;
    I am actually thinking about doing those crazy lifts on Saturday. I have done GMR probably a dozen times, had pankaces in the cafeteria but never rode the lifts. I am more worried about going back down than up. Going up is just pain but going down involves overcoming your mental limitations or my mental limitations I should say.
    True,

    The Ski-Lift climb is a worthy goal on a physical level, but also mentally. Which is to say, if you can do the Ski-Lift climb, it gives you confidence that you'll be able to do just about anything that's thrown at you, on any ride.

    In that way, it's a test of your ability to push through the painful bits and keep going (i.e. motivation).

    Regarding the descent, yes, you will need to use your brakes! That said, and taken with good dose of self-preservation/caution, it's really quite do-able, and not as bad as you might think.

    Re: Lunch, some riders like to eat after GMR/GRR and before attacking the Ski-Lifts; others would rather climb without much in their stomach, so we'll just leave that as: To each his/her own, and go from there.

    Looks like it will be a lovely day on the mountain, with just about perfect weather conditions.

    Rick / OCRR

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magda003 View Post
    Rick;
    I am actually thinking about doing those crazy lifts on Saturday. I have done GMR probably a dozen times, had pankaces in the cafeteria but never rode the lifts. I am more worried about going back down than up. Going up is just pain but going down involves overcoming your mental limitations or my mental limitations I should say.
    I am a horrible descender and rarely get above 35-40MPH but I have not had a problem dealing with the lifts, because I slow down to ~25MPH. South Grade of Palomar was muh worse for me because I have had to stop a couple times to cool down my wheels!
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    I don't want to sound like a stick in the mud but I think the ski lift climb sucks. Not fun going up, no pay off, and the descent is dangerous and not fun either. I climbed it, it gave me no satisfaction.

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