i've been riding the turtle rock/shady canyon/quail hill area for the longest time and pretty much know every incline in those neighborhoods. however, on a ride today, i finally decided to venture into the new residential areas off to the right of shady canyon and discovered a great little residential climb up copper creek/ golden eagle. its about 1.4 miles and gains close to 500 feet or about 6.7%... a flat section in the middle and the last half mile averages about 11.5%. not a bad little climb, with fresh tarmac and more or less no residential traffic! i've got a course now in that area that includes, starcrest, shady canyon, quail hill, and summit park that nets about 3000ft! not bad for a 3 mile radius! i can get close to 5000 ft if i add a couple out and backs up newport coast/ridge park/ vista ridge!