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    open note to all helmet nazis...

    especially the old man on the colnago in shady canyon this morning (i really hope that you are a BF member).

    please, please do not interrupt my pleasant weekend ride by shouting at me and my friend to "wear a helmet" as you are passing by. not only is it incredibly rude, but the holier-than-thou attitude is liable to get you a massive knuckle sandwich next time, seriously. i grew up abiding by the old adage that if you got nothing good to say, then don't say anything at all. why you don't comprehend this is beyond me. i also grew up learning that this adage was especially important when dealing with complete strangers b/c who knows what sort of short tempered crazy nut bags are out there.

    the great helmet debate has been discussed to death and basically comes down to individual preference, unless you're racing or on a club or organized ride. individual choice... what a great concept, kind of like what this country was founded on? my not wearing a helmet has no bearing on you or your ride or safety whatsoever. you have no idea why i am making the choices that i am making so just shut the eff up. i know what those helmet nazis are going to say, "hey i am just looking out for your saftey." thanks but i already got a mom for that... and besides, what's next, are you going to start shouting at people for not wearing sunglasses, gloves, cycling shoes, etc? are you going to lecture the guy with the creaky brakes and out of true wheel b/c that is also a safety concern?

    get over yourself my friend and think twice before you open your big mouth b/c one day someone is going to close it for you, senior citizen or not, b/c no one is above a good old fashioned ass whupping.

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    That's right! You kick the snot out of that elderly man next time!
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    I hope the no helmet riders get extra special cool points in the afterlife for tossing aside safety for looking like a badass that D(idn't)GAF

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    Typical lowlife-type attitude.
    Ask your mommy if you can join the army!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irvent View Post
    I hope the no helmet riders get extra special cool points in the afterlife for tossing aside safety for looking like a badass that D(idn't)GAF
    i'd like to think that my treatment in the afterlife will have much more to do with how much i have given to my family, friends, and society as a whole, rather than my decision to wear a helmet. and if you even believe in things like the afterlife, then you must also strongly believe that the divine being in this afterlife more or less determines your time here on this earth, irrespective of your decision to wear a helmet. but of course, there is always a chance that this divine being is in fact a helmet nazi also, in which case i would be royally screwed.

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    After hitting a piece of junk on the freeway 25 years ago and falling off my motorcycle at 60 mph, and getting away with no more than a broken arm, I can't say how important a helmet is. My motorcycle helmet was totally trashed - fiberlgass cover crunched & scratched where it dragged along the asphalt, and the foam inside dented in a few areas where it absorbed the force of the impacts. The ER doctor was amazed I walked away with no brain injuries until he saw how much impact the helmet took.

    Two things to consider: If you really are concerned about family, friends, etc, you'll wear a helmet for their sake. And if you're really concerned about society, and the cost of government and health care, you'll wear a helmet to reduce the risk of you becoming a vegetable in a long term care facility and draining your family's savings; while bike helmets are not as 'ballistic' as a motorcycle helmet, they can make a difference if you do like I did on the motorcycle and fall after hitting an object you can't avoid.



    I don't give people grief on what they wear, but I've got to admit I find it stange when I see a cyclist dressed in full spandex/lycra/SPD kit with no helmet. I wonder about that person's priorities . . .

    Getting grief about equipment: I get it all the time for not wearing clipless shoes & pedals. I don't get belligerant, I just put my foot next to theirs, then tell them I gave up looking for size 14 (US) shoes. 'nuf said.

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    And we're to be impressed with this articulate, thoughtful, considerate, respectful-of-others rant for what reason?

    I hope your mother doesn't spend her dotage changing your diapers.
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    I always wear a helmet. I would feel naked without one. But when I did my cycle tour in the Pyrenees, not one person had a helmet on. You could always tell the Americans or Brits, cuz we were the only ones wearing helmets. Even in bike crazy cities like Copenhagen, no one wears a helmet. Kids don't wear them either.

    I guess it's cultural or personal preference.

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    I personally don't care what you do or don't wear, I do get irritated with salmon and ninja riders, especially the ones being both at the same time.
    Whether you wear a helmet or not, has no bearing on my personal safety. Riding on the wrong side of the road and/or without lights at night has the potential to impact my safety.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Condorita View Post
    And we're to be impressed with this articulate, thoughtful, considerate, respectful-of-others rant for what reason?

    I hope your mother doesn't spend her dotage changing your diapers.
    and i'm supposed to be impressed with you taking a pot shot at my mother's state of mind?

    surely anyone should be able to realize that my rant, if you want to call it that, was not about the helmet/ no helmet debate, but rather about people making random comments that imply some sort of social or moral superiority... shouting out "hey wear a helmet" without establishing any kind of social capital whatsoever, is rude and implies that i am somehow behaving recklessly or irresponsibly. i don't imagine that you go around and shout at people for things they are doing that you disagree with... or who knows, maybe you do. either way, i was not hoping to impress you or anyone else. i was just making a point and backing it up with some thoughts, which is more than i can say you have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtrajack View Post
    I personally don't care what you do or don't wear, I do get irritated with salmon and ninja riders, especially the ones being both at the same time.
    Whether you wear a helmet or not, has no bearing on my personal safety. Riding on the wrong side of the road and/or without lights at night has the potential to impact my safety.
    salmon and ninja riders that's funny. I see those around here all the time. Sometimes I have to point to the side of the road to indicate what side they should ride on so they don't run into me.

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    " i grew up abiding by the old adage that if you got nothing good to say, then don't say anything at all. "

    Evidently, you didn't really comprehend the meaning of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanderer View Post
    " i grew up abiding by the old adage that if you got nothing good to say, then don't say anything at all. "

    Evidently, you didn't really comprehend the meaning of this.
    good point, you got me, but i can always go back and claim the 3rd grade defense... "he started it." hahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowlife1975 View Post
    please, please do not interrupt my pleasant weekend ride by shouting at me and my friend to "wear a helmet" as you are passing by. not only is it incredibly rude, but the holier-than-thou attitude is liable to get you a massive knuckle sandwich next time, seriously.
    wow! so you want to punch someone because they told you to do something so obvious and that ruined your ride? quite the rebel you are

    how many more years 'til puberty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowlife1975 View Post
    especially the old man on the colnago in shady canyon this morning (i really hope that you are a BF member).

    please, please do not interrupt my pleasant weekend ride by
    shouting at me and my friend to "wear a helmet" as you are passing by. not only is it incredibly rude, but the holier-than-thou attitude is liable to get you a massive knuckle sandwich next time, seriously. i grew up abiding by the old adage that if you got nothing good to say, then don't say anything at all. why you don't comprehend this is beyond me. i also grew up learning that this adage was especially important when dealing with complete strangers b/c who knows what sort of short tempered crazy nut bags are out there.

    the great helmet debate has been discussed to death and basically comes down to individual preference, unless you're racing or on a club or organized ride. individual choice... what a great concept, kind of like what this country was founded on? my not wearing a helmet has no bearing on you or your ride or safety whatsoever. you have no idea why i am making the choices that i am making so just shut the eff up. i know what those helmet nazis are going to say, "hey i am just looking out for your saftey." thanks but i already got a mom for that... and besides, what's next, are you going to start shouting at people for not wearing sunglasses, gloves, cycling shoes, etc? are you going to lecture the guy with the creaky brakes and out of true wheel b/c that is also a safety concern?

    get over yourself my friend and
    think twice before you open your big mouth b/c one day someone is going to close it for you, senior citizen or not, b/c no one is above a good old fashioned ass whupping.
    You're going to beat up an old man because he said "wear a helmet?" Damn, tough crowd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GP View Post
    You're going to beat up an old man because he said "wear a helmet?" Damn, tough crowd.
    I'd beat up GP just for smiling.

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    You should just reply, "Thanks for the reminder, mom."

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    Sorry I hurt your feelings. Ignore what I said and pass on the helmet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowlife1975 View Post
    and i'm supposed to be impressed with you taking a pot shot at my mother's state of mind?

    Surely anyone should be able to realize that my rant, if you want to call it that, was not about the helmet/ no helmet debate, but rather about people making random comments that imply some sort of social or moral superiority... Shouting out "hey wear a helmet" without establishing any kind of social capital whatsoever, is rude and implies that i am somehow behaving recklessly or irresponsibly. I don't imagine that you go around and shout at people for things they are doing that you disagree with... Or who knows, maybe you do. Either way, i was not hoping to impress you or anyone else. I was just making a point and backing it up with some thoughts, which is more than i can say you have done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IanInSD View Post
    I'd beat up GP just for smiling.
    I call BS. He smiles a lot. Oh, and yeah, um, something something helmets

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    Quote Originally Posted by IanInSD View Post
    I'd beat up GP just for smiling.
    That hurt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzzwillzzz View Post
    wow! so you want to punch someone because they told you to do something so obvious and that ruined your ride? quite the rebel you are

    how many more years 'til puberty?
    read the post carefully, i never said that i would punch his lights out, i said that he is liable to have that happen if he keeps doing what he's doing and repeated the same sentiment in the last sentence. having spent a fair amount of time in chicago and new york, yes not minding your own business will certainly get you in to trouble... granted a MUT in irvine is not either of those cities, its still not a good idea IMHO.

    certainly a pro helmet crowd here that buys into all the helmet saves lives rhetoric. that's cool... i got no problem with that. i know that these helmets are designed to protect an average person falling off their bike at low speeds at a height of approx 3 meters. if i'm going to worry about that, i may as well wear a helmet every time i go jogging or climb a ladder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowlife1975 View Post
    i know that these helmets are designed to protect an average person falling off their bike at low speeds at a height of approx 3 meters. if i'm going to worry about that, i may as well wear a helmet every time i go jogging or climb a ladder.
    The helmets would never pass a test with a drop height of 3 meters. The CPSC government standard calls for the test to be done with a drop height of 2.0 meters onto a flat surface and a height of only 1.2 meters onto hemispherical and curb-shaped surfaces.

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    I'll never go without a helmet since it's saved my noggin a couple times. If you crash a helmet, play with it. Use a melon as your head and see how much impact it can absorb. It's a pretty good thing to have on.

    I'll tell you, if you drop your head onto a curb from 1 meter - are you going to tell me a helmet will make no difference?
    I can hit my helmeted head onto pavement from 3 inches with no ill effect. I would not even dare do that bare headed.
    To effectively protect your head from a 2 meter drop is incredible insurance for the price of a helmet.
    Besides, wearing a helmet sets a good example to kids and others that see you around.

    About that helmet nazi- I think that's bad form. Two wrongs don't make a right, as they say. But you won't get any sympathy from me!
    eh, don't let the little things bother you so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowlife1975 View Post
    and i'm supposed to be impressed with you taking a pot shot at my mother's state of mind?
    You also need to learn the meaning of dotage. And get a new keyboard; your shift key seems to be defective.
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