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    Bicycles Prohibited Sign?? 3 Miles Above East Fork??

    Another rider asked me to post this question for him. He sid he would post it himself but that you al were funny looking and he didn't want to start a thread in a funny looking forum....OK, not really, he asked me to post it.

    I don't ride above East fork so maybe you guys have seen the sign or know the situation?

    His post, well most of it!


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    I went up Hwy 39 last weekend though, planning on going to Crystal Lake;When I got to the first gate about three miles above East Fork Rd and saw a sign that said "pedestrians, bicycles, motor-driven cycles prohibited," I got really discouraged and just turned around and came home. I don't know if the sign was always there and I just never saw it before, or if it's new. Do you know? I don't think that prohibition is even legal under CVC section 21960 which says:

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    Freeways and Expressways: Use Restrictions

    21960. (a) The Department of Transportation and local authorities, by order, ordinance, or resolution, with respect to freeways, expressways, or designated portions thereof under their respective jurisdictions, to which vehicle access is completely or partially controlled, may prohibit or restrict the use of the freeways, expressways, or any portion thereof by pedestrians, bicycles or other nonmotorized traffic or by any person operating a motor-driven cycle, motorized bicycle, or motorized scooter. A prohibition or restriction pertaining to bicycles, motor-driven cycles, or motorized scooters shall be deemed to include motorized bicycles; and no person may operate a motorized bicycle wherever that prohibition or restriction is in force. Notwithstanding any provisions of any order, ordinance, or resolution to the contrary, the driver or passengers of a disabled vehicle stopped on a freeway or expressway may walk to the nearest exit, in either direction, on that side of the freeway or expressway upon which the vehicle is disabled, from which telephone or motor vehicle repair services are available.

    (b) The prohibitory regulation authorized by subdivision (a) shall be effective when appropriate signs giving notice thereof are erected upon any freeway or expressway and the approaches thereto. If any portion of a county freeway or expressway is contained within the limits of a city within the county, the county may erect signs on that portion as required under this subdivision if the ordinance has been approved by the city pursuant to subdivision (b) of Section 1730 of the Streets and Highways Code.

    (c) No ordinance or resolution of local authorities shall apply to any state highway until the proposed ordinance or resolution has been presented to, and approved in writing by, the Department of Transportation.

    (d) An ordinance or resolution adopted under this section on or after January 1, 2005, to prohibit pedestrian access to a county freeway or expressway shall not be effective unless it is supported by a finding by the local authority that the freeway or expressway does not have pedestrian facilities and pedestrian use would pose a safety risk to the pedestrian.

    It allows the prohibition of bikes on freeways and expressways, but not on roads like this one, and I think Calfornia law says that if the road is the only way to get there on a bike, you can ride it on a bike. I have not found that CVC section though. Do you know what it is? I can't think of what to put in a search. It might be a moot point as long as the gate is closed anyway. But although the rangers up there have been friendly to us (even inviting our son to lunch with them when they were working at the Crystal Lake campground!), if one decided to be a real stinker I suppose he could cite us for a double offense.

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    That sounds like the start of a freeway, and bicycles are not allowed on the freeway if there is another route fairly nearby, so check to see if there is another local route to ride on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HIPCHIP View Post
    That sounds like the start of a freeway, and bicycles are not allowed on the freeway if there is another route fairly nearby, so check to see if there is another local route to ride on.
    Nope, sorry. It's a remote mountain road that is currently closed to almost all traffic, including motor vehicles. It is maintained enough for emergency vehicles to get through to Angeles Crest and for the handful of residents who live on it. Those who ride or walk on it go over or under the gates and ignore the signs. Nobody has reported any problems with attempting that... other than finding out they haven't finished plowing the road yet

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    CVC 21960 is irrelevant here, as Highway 39 is neither a freeway nor expressway. But bicyclists cannot be prohibited from any other non-freeway/expressway road, if that road is open to vehicle traffic. In this case, that section of Highway 39 is also prohibited for motorists, so the prohibition on bicyclists is legal (though enforcement may be another question).

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    The sign has been there for years, I think since that gate was closed. We just go up anyway and most of the rangers are cool, some of them encourage us. One time vertical bob said there was a ranger at the gate and he wouldn't let them through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big john View Post
    The sign has been there for years, I think since that gate was closed. We just go up anyway and most of the rangers are cool, some of them encourage us. One time vertical bob said there was a ranger at the gate and he wouldn't let them through.
    I posted the OP's question a few months ago, and this was the consensus. Summed up as "Yes - it is illegal, it seems to be rarely enforced, but don't be too surprised if you get a ticket."

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    As John says, the sign has been there quite a while. I've encountered sheriffs, rangers, and road construction supervisors at various locations on 39 between the gate and AC, and not one of them has ever said anything to me about use of the road. Within the past few weeks, however, a concrete lane barrier has been placed behind the gate at the junction with AC, and the pedestrian access blocked by a large boulder. Another concrete lane barrier has been placed across the road about a quarter mile below the one at the gate. From the amount of debris on the road, and the earthmoving equipment working on removing hillside, I'm guessing that the construction crews working up there are trying to keep bystanders away from the area where work is in progress as a safety precaution.



    BTW, I don't believe any friend asked you to post the question; and I think you're big wuss for not going up past the gate. So there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe View Post
    BTW, I don't believe any friend asked you to post the question; and I think you're big wuss for not going up past the gate. So there.
    Hey YOU!...It is for a friend! If I don't lie about being a big wuss,then why would I lie about posting for a friend? Hunh? So whatcha gotta say about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rooftest View Post
    I posted the OP's question a few months ago, and this was the consensus. Summed up as "Yes - it is illegal, it seems to be rarely enforced, but don't be too surprised if you get a ticket."
    I'm sorry, I didn't read it cause it didn't apply to my riding ground. I can't climb so I stay away from the mtn roads. I just posted it cause "a friend" asked me to post-it!

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    See, . . . you say you can't climb, . . . but you're always up on GMR, going to Baldy with Grrly or JimmyNH, braggn bout howfast you made it to the village on half a bottle of water, and all them pictures to prove it. I know you.
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    I haven't been on GMR at all this year and have no plans to do it anytime soon. Plus if you notice, all my pics are taken from behind other riders! I get alotta seatbag pics!


    I've actually never been on GMR or any other mtn ride. It's all photoshop and making them "think" you were there!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    I haven't been on GMR at all this year and have no plans to do it anytime soon. Plus if you notice, all my pics are taken from behind other riders! I get alotta seatbag pics!


    I've actually never been on GMR or any other mtn ride. It's all photoshop and making them "think" you were there!



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    OMG!!

    I had no idea...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    I haven't been on GMR at all this year and have no plans to do it anytime soon. Plus if you notice, all my pics are taken from behind other riders! I get alotta seatbag pics!


    I've actually never been on GMR or any other mtn ride. It's all photoshop and making them "think" you were there!


    That's too funny, what an ultimate pose. What you won't see is Beaners bike. Brian and I had to carry him on our backs ala Chris Horner

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    I told ya, I can't climb! Well,........ not on my own!

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    The last time I rode down 39, which was on a Saturday in July, there was a blue 3 1/2 cubic yard dumpster that the Cal Trans Road construction crew had been using all week to dispose of their garbage. This was about 2 miles up 39 from the new restroom.

    Well, these geniuses didn't lock the top of the bin, so the top was open, and there was two-week old Cal Trans lunch debris scattered all over the road, along with bear crap. I'm sure they cleaned it up on Monday... on the clock... your tax dollars at work.

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    Beanz, you must be sitting down in the picture between Bob and Brian.
    We might go up there this Saturday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big john View Post
    Beanz, you must be sitting down in the picture between Bob and Brian.
    We might go up there this Saturday.
    Oh Man you read my mind. I'm in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    I told ya, I can't climb! Well,........ not on my own!
    Ya, ya, ya. So splain this then.

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    I told youu I USED to be competitive!



    Atleast put my head on a skinny guy's body!..You pikced the fattest guy out there!

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    I'm sitting here laughing my ass off, you guys kill me. Photo shop is awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vertical bob View Post
    Oh Man you read my mind. I'm in.
    Change of plans, doing the 2 Tujungas, instead.

    Beanz, good job staying ahead of Mario and Boonen on that climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big john View Post
    Beanz, you must be sitting down in the picture between Bob and Brian.
    We might go up there this Saturday.
    That's a great pic. Is that 39?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JustMe View Post
    Ya, ya, ya. So splain this then.

    Awesome job on that photoshop. Beanz FTW!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Curbendo View Post
    That's a great pic. Is that 39?
    Yes, that was taken by scvroadie from below the spring.

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