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    Cyclist Killed in Highland...

    Breaking news that a cyclist was killed by streetracing teens in the city of Highland....

    http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/s...9.13dabb5.html
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    Too sad! I don't understand the stupidity!

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    The article says no one has been arrested yet, after saying the cars were street-racing

    What are the effing cops waiting for?

    My condolences to Mr. Alvarado's family.
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    I must say you have a very very odd system there. He killed a cyclist - so we are talking about a human being, not an inanimate object here - a human being. And yet he was not arrested? And they will decide whether they will charge him at all? Sorry, but that's just un-f-believable. When I have to express myself like that. But it deserves even some heavier language, but...I will refrain. And racing trough city and on public roads is beyond stupidity. It is irresponsibility coupled with a few other things. Such a person should not be allowed to drive ever again, and he should be taken care of by the system, since it was no accident if he was racing, something was bound to happen.
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    pretty un-effing-believable that no arrests were made at the scene of such a tragic accident. it doesn't take a genius to figure out exactly what happened and what parties were responsible. the sheriff's dept needs time to investigate what??? law enforcement is absurd out here.

    hopefully, the story will continue to circulate and enough eyes will be on it to ensure that justice is served. no doubt the driver should deserve jail time and the other parties involved as well. a message needs to be sent that speed contests will not be tolerated.

    is it me or does it just seem that cycling/ auto related fatalities just doesn't grab peoples attention like it should? not sure if SB county is a big cycling hotbed but i hope enough residents there make a big enough uproar to see this thing through to justice.

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    This what piss me off the most these days and stupid kid racing on the street and giving bad rep to the people who race on the track and keeping it safe....

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    Sooner or later thats gonna happen on GMR

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    true most of those guys go during the night....

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    For some reason the courts are lenient when a cyclist is involved.. Over the years I have seen it over and over again.. Very Sad, hopefully a diligent DA will get the case and send him away for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertical bob View Post
    Sooner or later thats gonna happen on GMR


    Riding GMR up yesterday I heard a car screeching around the turns. Turns out an SUV full of kids were riding up to the start point for their skateboards down. I heard them coming so I just pulled over and let them by as they peeled some rubber around the turn with a few hanging out shouting out and shouting from the windows like a bunch of fools. Now I know why the cops chase them off the mtn.

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    Very sad indeed -- and more-so because it was "one of our own" who was killed.

    But whether the victim was a cyclist, pedestrian, motorcyclist, skateboarder, motorist, adult or child, the driver needs to be held to the same standard: whatever law(s) were violated should be charged.

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    By our own, I hope you mean human.

    He should have been detained at the very least for his own safety. Without being there or having conducted a full investigation, the reason the accident happened is unkown. An arrest without proper charges becomes a difficult conviction.

    It is horrible that a life was lost. But judicious course is warranted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    Riding GMR up yesterday I heard a car screeching around the turns. Turns out an SUV full of kids were riding up to the start point for their skateboards down. I heard them coming so I just pulled over and let them by as they peeled some rubber around the turn with a few hanging out shouting out and shouting from the windows like a bunch of fools. Now I know why the cops chase them off the mtn.
    It's almost amazing how they will drive up the mountain with a blatant disregard for safety when they are minutes away from being the vulnerable ones themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Beanz View Post
    Riding GMR up yesterday I heard a car screeching around the turns. Turns out an SUV full of kids were riding up to the start point for their skateboards down. I heard them coming so I just pulled over and let them by as they peeled some rubber around the turn with a few hanging out shouting out and shouting from the windows like a bunch of fools. Now I know why the cops chase them off the mtn.
    What Cops? I've never seen one up there except after a crash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blarnie View Post
    By our own, I hope you mean human.
    I'm pretty sure he meant cyclist, since it's the main topic of the news article, in the title of this thread and posted on a cycling forum.
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    I had posted this here because along with the fact that a cyclist is one of our own, he was also noted and beginning a pro level involvment with the sport. I would suspect he was a fairly careful rider if he was at this level. I was more than a little surprised at the lack of coverage in other news outlets, and believe that the word should be spread when stupity takes a life. It's up to all of us to send letters, go to courts and do what it takes to see laws get enforced.

    Last year a notable friend of mine, a member of the National Vet's Fencing Team, was killed by a drunk driver. I took the time to write the judge asking for a stiff sentance for the killer. She did not hand one down, so I took the time to write another letter expressing my disgust at her handing down such a light sentance. The judges need to know the public expects them to handdown fitting punishment. I am rather unsure how to keep up the details of this incident, but I still want to believe that the public getting involved in expecting laws to be enforced matters.

    The Greenspot area is a favored riding area for many cyclists around here. There is a quaint little store in the actual location called Greenspot, and a couple of roads extending away from it that are a nice ride. I believe this death occured between Greenspot and the Highland area on a stretch of road with little to no buildings along it.

    There is also a difference between street racing, and driving like a moron all the time. Street racing used to be when people who took the time to mod cars challengd each other, went to a secluded, safe place and raced each other. As devolpment took those areas, true racers took it to the track to maintain their interest in racing. In the IE, there seems to be an ever-increasing amount of Import types driving like morons all the time. Maybe I'm getting old or something, but at my worst I never dove through traffic and cut cars off like these clowns do. I think it's unfair to lump these drivers in with racers, they are nothing of the sort. Perhaps budget cuts removing driver's d classes are a bad idea. Driving is a skill that needs to be understood. For myself, I would rather they cut the football teams and stadiums than Drivers Ed. I will never have to play football in public, but I will have to deal with drivers every day.

    Let's keep track of this case for the memory of the rider, and our own future safety.
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    Well Said!!!!, I think the parents should also be held accountable. They buy these kids the cars, but don't take time to moniter what there doing with them.
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    I was referring to a fellow cyclist when I said "one of our own".
    We (any group of folks who come together around a shared interest) always mourn the loss of a member or friend.

    As the second part of my post tried to mention, 1) our ultimate concern should extend to anyone (humans) who suffers as a result of such an event and 2) the law should be enforced in all circumstances, not selectively.
    The law requires an investigation of the facts and due process. Our outrage when hearing a "news story" should always be tempered by patience within the judicial system.

    Hope that clears it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by blarnie View Post
    By our own, I hope you mean human.

    He should have been detained at the very least for his own safety. Without being there or having conducted a full investigation, the reason the accident happened is unkown. An arrest without proper charges becomes a difficult conviction.

    It is horrible that a life was lost. But judicious course is warranted.

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    Current update to the information on what happened is this:

    Three Redlands East Valley HS students (in three cars) who live in the Highland area were racing each other to school. One tried to pass another, lost control and hit the cyclist at around 70mph. Locals to the area say the same three have been racing each other to school for an extended time and law enforcement has done nothing about it.

    REV is a fairly new school (known as being for the rich and priveliged of the area), and it's sports program is known for poaching atheletes from all other area districts with shady deals to get the students at their school. Jocks seem exempt from the rules the rest of the campus have to follow. Last month the football QB beat up a coach and was arrested, with charges amounting to no more than a slap on the wrist. The driver of the car that actually hit the rider is a 4.0 student with a soccer scholarship lined up. That said, locals supporting the school have already started the "He's a great kid who made one tiny mistake" type of talk to try and get him out of facing the charges.

    I do not feel this is a tragedy of any sort. Tragedy means something inevitable that can't be prevented. This was stupidity, and I may be an a**, but don't feel the need to extend a hand of friendship to someone doing something stupid that painfully kills someone else. My feelings are colored from nearly dying in a car wreck myself...so I admit to being more blunt than most folks on the subject.

    Perhaps too, my anger stems from having to drive and ride on the same local streets as these idiots and their classmates, many of whom exhibit the same stupid habits behind the wheel....
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    Get him sentenced and get him do some time - because he killed an human being. Lets think about that for a second - trough his own stupidity, he killed him. He needs to learn that such things have consequences, and your cycling community should make sure, in any way that they can, that he gets a good sentence. Anything less is not enough, and he will only learn that he can get away with anything if nothing is done. Don't let that happen, keep the stupid ones responsible. Being stupid does NOT excuse them of killing another human being.

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    +1. He needs jail time. And take away his friggin' soccer scholarship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertical bob View Post
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    Hate to agree with you, but if you are up there often enough, you see some ugly stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AerobaticDreams View Post
    Current update to the information on what happened is this:

    Three Redlands East Valley HS students (in three cars) who live in the Highland area were racing each other to school. One tried to pass another, lost control and hit the cyclist at around 70mph. Locals to the area say the same three have been racing each other to school for an extended time and law enforcement has done nothing about it.

    REV is a fairly new school (known as being for the rich and priveliged of the area), and it's sports program is known for poaching atheletes from all other area districts with shady deals to get the students at their school. Jocks seem exempt from the rules the rest of the campus have to follow. Last month the football QB beat up a coach and was arrested, with charges amounting to no more than a slap on the wrist. The driver of the car that actually hit the rider is a 4.0 student with a soccer scholarship lined up. That said, locals supporting the school have already started the "He's a great kid who made one tiny mistake" type of talk to try and get him out of facing the charges.

    I do not feel this is a tragedy of any sort. Tragedy means something inevitable that can't be prevented. This was stupidity, and I may be an a**, but don't feel the need to extend a hand of friendship to someone doing something stupid that painfully kills someone else. My feelings are colored from nearly dying in a car wreck myself...so I admit to being more blunt than most folks on the subject.

    Perhaps too, my anger stems from having to drive and ride on the same local streets as these idiots and their classmates, many of whom exhibit the same stupid habits behind the wheel....
    If they were racing to school, they must have really been running late....

    Didn't the accident happen between 9:30 - 10:00 AM?

    Jerks! Wah wah, "I have a soccer scholarship and made just one mistake..."

    If that's the reason to "give a kid a second chance" things are pretty messed up....

    I've seen too many teens "mess up" because they knew they would be bailed out by their parents....

    Too bad this is WAY BEYOND messing up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AerobaticDreams View Post
    Current update to the information on what happened is this:

    Three Redlands East Valley HS students (in three cars) who live in the Highland area were racing each other to school.

    REV is a fairly new school (known as being for the rich and priveliged of the area),


    That said, locals supporting the school have already started the "He's a great kid who made one tiny mistake" type of talk to try and get him out of facing the charges.


    I love how people present therories as fact.

    I am aware that there was at least one passenger in one of the cars, there for there must have been at least four students. Others have reported that the fact is there were four cars. Interesting facts.

    REV is a public high school. Don't know where the priveleldged thing comes from. I think probably more of the well to do's at Redlands high school, since its area has some pretty upscale housing in it.

    Based on that I question what you present as fact.

    Fact, car versus bicycle, Car will win. Cars can be dangerous if not used responsibly. Fact, Greenspot road is narrow, and many people who use the road do drive too fast. Fact, the city of Redlands has no bike lanes. IT is home to the Redlands Bicycle Classic but it does not support biking.

    I am not condoning the kids driving habits. Only that the facts are bad enough, no need to embellish. LEt's stick to facts.

    I do agree with getting the dangers out there by making sure people know of this accident and learn from the mistakes of others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ratherbpiping View Post
    I do agree with getting the dangers out there by making sure people know of this accident and learn from the mistakes of others.
    And of course punishing those responsible.

    BTW, you make it seem like it was Jorge's fault for cycling at the wrong place at the wrong time.
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