It's time for a forum ride. It's time for pie! I'm thinking a Saturday, mid-October. Start in Escondido at the movie theatre complex (there's coffee and plenty of parking), up trough Valley Center on the grade (not Wohlford), etc, up South Grade, down East Grade, Mesa Grande, Old Julian Highway, out of Ramona on the 67 and Scrips Pkwy to return through Poway for something different or Highland Valley but not turning off onto Bandy Canyon, to return through South Escondido around Felicita. Of course there will be pie in Santa Ysabel. I'll provide route slips, not that it's really needed.