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    Lower SART to middle SART

    I have a few questions about getting to the middle SART from the lower.

    First, is there some status page showing when this may be completed? Seems like there are half a dozen SART pages, but none that I saw have any real info other than showing the proposed path. I'll take that as a bad sign, and that it'll be many many years away.

    Second, what is the best street route you guys have found, and how nice/safe is it? I didn't see much in the way of bike lanes, and just from google maps its hard for me to tell which streets are too busy for me to ride on.

    Finally, is the middle SART nice? Worth the trip through the city streets (and back) to go up there?

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    You need to define "lower to middle". Where are you starting and where are you ending?

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    What are you talking about? Inland Empire?
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    Sorry, what I meant was how to get from the lower to the upper SART. The middle incomplete portion is the specific section in question. Who rides it, what is the best route, is it safe/nice/annoying/etc?

    The SART consists of 3 portions, lower, middle, and upper. They seem to currently be defined as:

    Lower = Ocean to the golf course, basically everything in orange county.
    Middle = random roads in riverside/corona, no trail yet. This will be finished at some unknown date and has been proposed for many years. Nobody seems to have info on this date.
    Upper = hidden valley to waterman

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    It's now the SARTP, according to the official authority: http://www.santaanarivertrail.org/home.html
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    BTW, "upper" is a dirt trail and not a parkway like the paved portions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CritEastwood View Post
    BTW, "upper" is a dirt trail and not a parkway like the paved portions.
    Oh, I had no idea. So the only paved portion is the lower 29 miles from the coast to the golf course? For some reason I thought the section from hidden valley to san bernadino was paved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmX View Post
    Oh, I had no idea. So the only paved portion is the lower 29 miles from the coast to the golf course? For some reason I thought the section from hidden valley to san bernadino was paved.
    Nope, this describes the sections: http://www.santaanarivertrail.org/tr...rail-info.html
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    Also, the new website contains incorrect information in their Trail Safety page. If they are including the USFS dirt portion in their rules, the "no camping" rule is incorrect because backpackers camp along that trail all of the time. In fact, it contradicts the information they have on the "Trail Info" page posted above.

    http://www.santaanarivertrail.org/tr...il-safety.html
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    To answer your original question: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=4099276
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmX View Post
    Oh, I had no idea. So the only paved portion is the lower 29 miles from the coast to the golf course? For some reason I thought the section from hidden valley to san bernadino was paved.
    The section from hidden valley to san bernadino is paved, except for one exception. After entering the trail from Arlington, you can ride the paved trail for about a mile or so before hitting an unpaved section. This portion is only about 100 feet or so. There was/is suppose to be a bridge over this section, but the city ran out of money for it.

    Unless there was a recent rain, the unpaved section usually has hard compacted dirt and can be ridden over, or you can go the safe route and walk over it.

    After the unpaved section, the trail becomes a nice paved trail again all the way to its end in San Bernadino (Waterman St.).

    It is a nice enough trail, not nearly as congested as the beach trail, but it does not have as nice of views. There are two parks along the trail to stop for water. The dog park has a water fountain, but no human bathroom. The other park has a bathroom and water fountain.

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    I found the lower Upper SART a nice ride from Hidden Valley upstream. There is actually a river there vs. the more traditional concrete channel. You can check out photos and such at traillink.com

    <http://www.traillink.com/trail/santa-ana-river-trail-%28upper-portion%29.aspx>

    The map there shows RR, water, parking, etc.

    This would be a nice winter ride after the rains and before the smog can reform. The mountains should be out then. In summer it is BrainFry. Be sure to hit the dog park. It is something else. Have yet to see anything better in six western states.

    If you want to ride thru Norco, better to be a horse. There are a lot of horse trails there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CranRasp View Post
    The dog park has a water fountain, but no human bathroom. The other park has a bathroom and water fountain.
    Just above the dog park after you go under the road is a short trail on the right that takes you to Fairmont park. It has public restrooms. It is a mup trail also. It's also a good place to have a lunch or take the kids (in the daytime).
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    http://www.santaanarivertrail.com/SART-about.php Try this link. It gives detailed mileages from each street that it intersects, brief descriptions, some photo's etc.

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    So, does anyone know what the timelines are, or plans to connect the two ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genaro View Post
    So, does anyone know what the timelines are, or plans to connect the two ?
    Connect which two? There are currently two gaps left to complete the whole project, one between Green River and Norco and the other between Waterman Ave in San Bernardino and where the dirt singletrack begins above Mentone.

    The gap between Green River and Norco appears to be waiting for one or two right of way issues, as well as clearance from the Army Corps of Engineers in the Prado Dam area. The gap above Waterman should be complete to at least Alabama Ave next year and appears to be waiting for the City of Redlands to get started on a regional park above that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalifornaCondor View Post
    http://www.santaanarivertrail.com/SART-about.php Try this link. It gives detailed mileages from each street that it intersects, brief descriptions, some photo's etc.
    Another unofficial and incomplete FAIL website on the matter.

    Of course that's opposed to the new official semi-FAIL website on the matter.
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    This is coming from a person that stated that the section in reference is not paved. Which it is. I know I've been on it. Apparently you have not. It may be unofficial & incomplete but in my opinion it gives more useful information than any other site I have seen. Does it matter that it is unofficial? Does it matter that it is incomplete? I think the only incomplete areas are the store & the forum. So what. The important info is there.
    Why would you reply to a question about a section of the SART you have never seen or know anything about anyway? Yes I am still calling it the SART.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CritEastwood View Post
    Connect which two? There are currently two gaps left to complete the whole project, one between Green River and Norco and the other between Waterman Ave in San Bernardino and where the dirt singletrack begins above Mentone.
    Ok, for clarity I will no longer use upper/middle/lower terminology. The SART websites differ on what these are, and apparently it means different things to people on this board as well.

    This whole thread was intended to be about the OC section connecting to green river to the paved section that starts at hidden valley nature preserve. In between these two sections is currently all city streets, and route suggestions and their safety was the reason behind the original posting. I see very few roads with bike lanes on the map in this area, even along the suggested routes. I've also seen very little in terms of first hand feedback on riding this area.

    Maybe the point to take away from this lack of information on the topic is that its simply not worth cycling all the city streets to get between the 2 large paved sections of the SART.

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    I think it's worth riding between the two sections. The Norco roads are mostly lightly travelled. The section from Norco upstream also seems to less travelled than the OC section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CalifornaCondor View Post
    This is coming from a person that stated that the section in reference is not paved. Which it is. I know I've been on it. Apparently you have not. It may be unofficial & incomplete but in my opinion it gives more useful information than any other site I have seen. Does it matter that it is unofficial? Does it matter that it is incomplete? I think the only incomplete areas are the store & the forum. So what. The important info is there.
    Why would you reply to a question about a section of the SART you have never seen or know anything about anyway? Yes I am still calling it the SART.
    You're a riot.

    Please quote me where I stated it wasn't paved, except the singletrack trail above Mentone.

    Please tell us all what stock you have in the FAIL unofficial website(s). Your overreaction leads me to believe you are defending someone responsible for that particular FAIL.

    Please tell us all how you have been able to track my every move for the past five years and know for a fact that I have not ridden on any yet to be officially opened sections of the parkway? Also, why would anyone in their right mind admit to riding an unofficial path or go so far as to endorse doing the same on a public forum?

    The last time I checked, Phelan is in the High Desert and Anaheim is on the parkway in question.
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    From the beach going up the SART, there's a point where the SART seems to split at the Green River Golf Course. If I continue to go straight, I end up on Green River, a road that takes me up to a nice climb and then to some gas stations and fast food places.

    But if I don't go straight and make a sharp left turn into what seems to be the Golf course entrance, its called the SART. I never took that route before. But from looking at Google Earth, it seems that the trail ends up being an unpaved road that takes me to the Prado Dam area.

    From there, I can't very well navigate to what one might call "middle SART" and then to San Bernardino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CritEastwood View Post
    You're a riot.

    Please quote me where I stated it wasn't paved, except the singletrack trail above Mentone.

    Please tell us all what stock you have in the FAIL unofficial website(s). Your overreaction leads me to believe you are defending someone responsible for that particular FAIL.

    Please tell us all how you have been able to track my every move for the past five years and know for a fact that I have not ridden on any yet to be officially opened sections of the parkway? Also, why would anyone in their right mind admit to riding an unofficial path or go so far as to endorse doing the same on a public forum?

    The last time I checked, Phelan is in the High Desert and Anaheim is on the parkway in question.
    Originally Posted by jmX Oh, I had no idea. So the only paved portion is the lower 29 miles from the coast to the golf course? For some reason I thought the section from hidden valley to san bernadino was paved."

    Your answer was

    Quote Originally Posted by CritEastwood View Post
    I haven't always lived in Phelan. I have ridden the section that goes from hidden valley to Waterman. I have seen in other posts (when someone else shows beyond doubt a quote you claim you never said) the amount of intelligence you use while posting so I realize my answering is probably useless so I see no reason to continue this debate.

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    Nice job of the 'ol soft shoe there friend.

    There is no e-gument because your FAIL does not have a leg to stand on.

    Too bad I'm not an illiterate, then you could further your attempt to insult my intelligence.
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