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Old 07-05-12, 04:23 PM   #1
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spotted juvi cat at Lake Hodges

Was doing my normal training hill climb up to the tower (Bernardo peak) after work solo. About 3 mins into it from the lower fire road, went up a small step up and there it was about 20ft in front of me was knee height cat on the trail, almond color fur and long black tail. Looked to be about 40ish lbs(bit smaller then my boxer). I unclipped, it looked at me, then it turned around and headed up the trail. Paws were huge!! I waited for it to get a bit farther up before I 180* and booked it down hill, didn't know if it's mommy was up the trail.


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Mountain lions and the lack of MTB buddies to ride with are why I hardly ever ride my mountain bike right now. It's only about 10 miles away from my house where the last major mountain lion vs cyclist attack happened, killing one and maiming another.

On GMR I've seen a bobcat twice, but I'm not so worried about them. They just kinda watch as you pedal past.
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You should have shot it and BBQed it for the 4th. I heard they taste a little gamier than house cat.

Where's your brother Skippy been?
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A 40 lb cat. Now that should be the stick to increase your uphill speed!!! Yikes!!!
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You're lucky. Bob cats do not want to be seen.
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I spotted an adult while driving down Highland Valley Road a while back. Buddy up.
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You're lucky. Bob cats do not want to be seen.
Bobcats I see fairly frequently, but what the OP saw was a young mountain lion. Those are far more rare. Only seen a mountain lion in the wild once and it was while hiking. After climbing a little rise my daughter and I looked back and saw a mountain lion crossing the trail behind us. It looked very strange and I had to look for a moment before realizing that it had a large squirrel in its mouth with the tail hanging out to one side. The lion headed up towards a bush near the trail and its two cubs came bounding out to play with their lunch.

Just a minute earlier we must have been directly between the mother cat and her cubs and although we hadn't seen them at that time I'm sure we were being watched very closely.
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You should have shot it and BBQed it for the 4th. I heard they taste a little gamier than house cat.

Where's your brother Skippy been?
Now that he has rent n bills, he's too busy working to ride. I try to drag him out after work but no dice. Hock flaked on me the day I saw this cat.

That was the only time I saw a cat on the trails, though I do know they are out there and close. Just too close for my confort zone this day. As it was walking/jogging up the trail, I was looking for the spots and length of tail. Then thought maybe I was seeing thing and it might be a dog until I noticed the front shoulders articulation like the big cats on the Discovery channel and the long tail was near the ground. Then was thinking mommy cat was up around the bend...scary $hit
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Mountain lions and the lack of MTB buddies to ride with are why I hardly ever ride my mountain bike right now. It's only about 10 miles away from my house where the last major mountain lion vs cyclist attack happened, killing one and maiming another.
Do you know that only 3 people were killed by mountain lions in all of California in the last 50 years? You have far, far greater chances of dying of a heart attack on your road bike (roughly 1 in 1000 chance of dying in a given year, assuming that you ride 10 hours/week and your odds of dying per hour of riding are the same as the odds of a typical marathon runner).
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Do you know that only 3 people were killed by mountain lions in all of California in the last 50 years? You have far, far greater chances of dying of a heart attack on your road bike (roughly 1 in 1000 chance of dying in a given year, assuming that you ride 10 hours/week and your odds of dying per hour of riding are the same as the odds of a typical marathon runner).
Have you seen a mountain lions claws?!? Also: teeth.

Besides, all cyclists have a heart, but relatively speaking not many people ride around alone in mountain lion territory. Not saying that makes the numbers work in favor of my fear, it's worth noting your comparison doesn't really mean much. Also, I'm not afraid of dying as much as I am of getting eaten so risk vs consequence can't be ignored here.

Anyway, there have been recent sightings in the places I ride (which is literally a bio-corridor created for the sole purpose of allowing mountain lions to cross from one park to another), so that's just icing on my fear laden cake.

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Have you seen a mountain lions claws?!? Also: teeth.
No. But I saw what was left of my previous dog, after what I can only assume was an attack by a mountain lion, not 100 feet from my kitchen window.

At any given moment there are around 100 adult mountain lions in San Diego County, 15-20 in Santa Ana Mountains, and as many as 5000 in all of California. They wander through our backyards at night, they see humans all the time, and the fact that there are so few human fatalities (or even injuries), means that they are incredibly reluctant to attack humans.
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I grew up in San Diego and went back there to get married 2 years ago. Took the wife and daughter up Cuyamaca peak for a hike. It was all burned up from that huge fire--looked desolate and I was sad--spent a lot of time hiking there years ago.
Anyway, didn't get too far up the hill and TWO mountain lions came out of the brush to our right. Probably young adults. We saw them before they saw us and we left, quickly. Would have filmed them if I had a better defense than a camera and a water bottle. If we were here in Texas I would have had my pistol, then we could have got some pix, laid low and watch them do their thing before heading back down in a more controlled fashion instead of having to haul a$$ out of there--would have been nice to enjoy something so rare. I was happy to see them, the wife and daughter not so much.
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I've yet to see a mountain lion. I've seen the tail end of a bobcat on two occasions. Just a few weeks ago I went on a mountain bike ride and surprised bobcats twice on the same ride. They're not so small when you're 10 feet away from one.
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I grew up in San Diego and went back there to get married 2 years ago. Took the wife and daughter up Cuyamaca peak for a hike. It was all burned up from that huge fire--looked desolate and I was sad--spent a lot of time hiking there years ago.
Anyway, didn't get too far up the hill and TWO mountain lions came out of the brush to our right. Probably young adults. We saw them before they saw us and we left, quickly. Would have filmed them if I had a better defense than a camera and a water bottle. If we were here in Texas I would have had my pistol, then we could have got some pix, laid low and watch them do their thing before heading back down in a more controlled fashion instead of having to haul a$$ out of there--would have been nice to enjoy something so rare. I was happy to see them, the wife and daughter not so much.
I definitely won't ride solo up in those mts, but always ride solo on the local trails. We typically go with groups 4-6 when riding around the hills of Cuya. Great scenery around there! We were up there fishing on Sunday
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I hike frequently. I have seen bobcats numerous times everywhere. They generally just ignore you. I have never seen a mountain lion, but I have no doubt I've been seen by them a few times. My point is that I've never been afraid of bobcats (based on experiential encounters), but I'm very afraid of mountain lion (based on reputation).
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Human beings are very interesting in what they fear and how they put it into context.

Cyclists are killed and seriously injured everyday in America from cars and from solo crashes and other misc. events. The chances of being killed by a mountain lion in CA have to be less than 1 out of 15 million per year.

I spend most of my life in the outdoors in CA, Montana and Idaho and I consider it a blessing to be able to see and be around mountain lions and other animal predators.

You should never stop being outside because of these beautiful and rare animals.

I would much rather be killed and eaten by one of them instead of being slammed into by a drunk illegal alien who drives away with me on his hood while I am dying and then throws me off like a piece of trash.
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^^^+1 to that!!

Don't worry I'll be back up that trail on Monday again, just hope it won't be solo.
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. . . they are incredibly reluctant to attack humans.
This is largely because humans are rarely in the wilderness alone. When they are, they are usually adult males. Most attacks have been against children, and smaller women. The first attack that had happened in over fifty years, as I recall, was against a child just off Ortega Highway, about twenty to thirty years ago. The kid was badly mauled but survived, since the cat fled when adults came in response to cries.

Attacks are rare, but these things still demand respect.
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25 years ago when I lived in Rancho Bernardo, I rode that same trail up to bernardo Peak weekley. Only once did I get a good look at a mature Lion. It was at a switchback with large boulders above. I wonder how many times it watched me? If it wanted me, it could have had biker lunch any time it wanted! I kept riding that trail for 6 years...but nervously.
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This is largely because humans are rarely in the wilderness alone. When they are, they are usually adult males. Most attacks have been against children, and smaller women. The first attack that had happened in over fifty years, as I recall, was against a child just off Ortega Highway, about twenty to thirty years ago. The kid was badly mauled but survived, since the cat fled when adults came in response to cries.

Attacks are rare, but these things still demand respect.
Researched this^ http://articles.latimes.com/1986-03-...n-lion-attacks
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Video of a coyote + mountain lion sighted on MTB trails in OC yesterday:


Video Description: "At 7 a.m. on July 15, 2012, this coyote was recorded driving off a mountain lion in Orange County, California. This video was taken on the Serrano Road trail of Whiting Ranch Wilderness Park just south of the Dreaded Hill Road trail."
I think that cat is big enough to tear some **** up.

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WOW. The video makes this look like it happened with the sun fairly high but it is hard to tell with modern cameras.
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Added the video description. It says it was 7am.
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I would much rather be killed and eaten by one of them instead of being slammed into by a drunk illegal alien who drives away with me on his hood while I am dying and then throws me off like a piece of trash.
I think I'll take "neither outcome" for $1,000, Alex.
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I bike on the North side of lake hodges to get to Rancho bernardo via bridge. I had to bike through that area once at 9pm where it was dark with no lights. (I know, kinda stupid but my battery died). A lot of weird noise around that area. I am suprised that I didnt get attacked by animals. Definitely wont make the same mistake again and would be more prepared on the lookout.
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