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Old 08-19-12, 10:35 PM   #26
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Great write up on the GMR ride - the temps per Garmin were crazy high, 111! i would need double camelbacks and a few bottles to even make it to the shack! yikes.
I did use a 100oz camelbak and then kept an empty 20oz bottle on the bike for picking up drinks at the ski lifts. I go through lots of liquid in the heat so I was well prepared.

Once the thunderstorm dropped the temps a bit, the camelbak was total overkill for the 2nd half of the ride.
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I did use a 100oz camelbak and then kept an empty 20oz bottle on the bike for picking up drinks at the ski lifts. I go through lots of liquid in the heat so I was well prepared.

Once the thunderstorm dropped the temps a bit, the camelbak was total overkill for the 2nd half of the ride.
Awesome pics jmX!

As for our Sunday ride, we did an out and back from the Irvine Spectrum to the Newport Dunes beach, along the bike path. The wifey pulled the Burley this time. This allowed me to enjoy the ride on my vintage steel bike. It was great enjoying the cool water and "stealth drinking" margaritas on the beach.
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I did use a 100oz camelbak and then kept an empty 20oz bottle on the bike for picking up drinks at the ski lifts. I go through lots of liquid in the heat so I was well prepared.

Once the thunderstorm dropped the temps a bit, the camelbak was total overkill for the 2nd half of the ride.
Which camelbak do you use ? I havev a blowfish that I used to use for hiking but its too big. Looking at the Rogue. Think it gives me enough drinking capacity and not huge.
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Which camelbak do you use ? I havev a blowfish that I used to use for hiking but its too big. Looking at the Rogue. Think it gives me enough drinking capacity and not huge.
I think the average large water bottle is about 25 ounces. The Rogue has a 70 ounce bladder or 3 bottles worth. I have an older Mule and a new Hawg NV, each with a 100oz bladder. So they are equal to 4 bottles.

I used the Mule riding from Encanto Park in Duarte up to Islip Saddle on Saturday. I planned on going up to Dawson Saddle, but I was running low on fluid and starting to cramp, so I turned around at Islip. It was still 60 miles and 6500' of climbing. I'm used to riding with a Camelbak, since I do a lot of mountain biking. But I rarely use one on the road bike; it just feels different.

If you haven't used a Camelbak while on your road bike, you might hate it. It seems that people that only ride on the road seem to dislike them. MTBr's learn to tolerate them because it beats drinking from dirty, giardia-coated bottles.Try a ride with your Blowfish to see if your are OK with the concept, and if you are, just get a Lobo or Mule. The Lobo is their lightest, smallest pack with the 100oz bladder. If you don't like the weight on your back while riding, get a 3rd bottle cage mounted on your down tube on the side facing the ground. I'm thinking of getting a 3rd set of water bottle bosses installed for the longer, remote rides that I seem to enjoy.

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Which camelbak do you use ? I havev a blowfish that I used to use for hiking but its too big. Looking at the Rogue. Think it gives me enough drinking capacity and not huge.

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The Lobo is their lightest, smallest pack with the 100oz bladder. If you don't like the weight on your back while riding, get a 3rd bottle cage mounted on your down tube on the side facing the ground. I'm thinking of getting a 3rd set of water bottle bosses installed for the longer, remote rides that I seem to enjoy.
I use an Octane XCT 100oz, in "dont run me over" neon green. As far as I know, the Octane XCT is actually the lightest 100oz pack. Octane comes in at 320g, Lobo is 490g. Of course it holds 2400g of water, so it's not a huge deal, but I care about weight so I check these things.

The Octane XCT also has lumbar zippered pockets. I stash food and money in these so I can get to them without taking the pack off. Additionally it's got some strapping on the back ("storage bungee") where you can wad up a wind breaker and stuff it under the straps. I've used this for cool days on GMR. Finally, on the left shoulder strap is a gel pocket, which I use for a pack of shot bloks. It's the easiest pocket to get to while riding, so I keep my next dose of calories in it.

It's not listed on their site as a cycling camelbak, but it seems perfect as one to me.

cdp8: you'd have to be nuts to put a bottle under the downtube! That's the filthiest part of the bike! A 3rd bottle in a jersey pocket would probably be better for a roadie who's camelbak shy.
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Or just carry 4 bottles like I do most of the time. http://compare.ebay.com/like/3505797...Types&var=sbar
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All, good info. I may still try out the rogue as I think I can get away with 2 bottles and 72 oz on my back -I want it for two different reasons. I'm trying to get my SART ride (59 miles) down under 3 hrs. That's 8 minutes that I still need to cut from my best time. If I don't have to stop for water I can cut a couple of minutes at the coast. Also, not having to reach down to guzzle may help. I also want it for long unsupported rides or rides up GMR/GRR where the two bottles are barely enough sometimes. I really like the insulation I used to get from my blowfish, so if I don't like the way it sits on my back, I can use it for hiking and opt for the rear seat bottle holder.
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cdp8: you'd have to be nuts to put a bottle under the downtube! That's the filthiest part of the bike! A 3rd bottle in a jersey pocket would probably be better for a roadie who's camelbak shy.
You can't access that bottle while in motion, so when you stop to rotate the bottles, just clean it off. Orput it in a ziploc bag before putting in that cage. Then throw the bag in the trash when you rotate bottles.
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Or just carry 4 bottles like I do most of the time. http://compare.ebay.com/like/3505797...Types&var=sbar
They don't call those things bottle launchers for nothing.
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They don't call those things bottle launchers for nothing.
I think he launched a bottle at me once. Not sure if it was an accident or he was trying to keep me from drafting him
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All, good info. I may still try out the rogue as I think I can get away with 2 bottles and 72 oz on my back -I want it for two different reasons. I'm trying to get my SART ride (59 miles) down under 3 hrs. That's 8 minutes that I still need to cut from my best time. If I don't have to stop for water I can cut a couple of minutes at the coast. Also, not having to reach down to guzzle may help. I also want it for long unsupported rides or rides up GMR/GRR where the two bottles are barely enough sometimes. I really like the insulation I used to get from my blowfish, so if I don't like the way it sits on my back, I can use it for hiking and opt for the rear seat bottle holder.
BTW, don't report me to the SART police. I normally start these rides before 6AM and do slow down when needed
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Or just carry 4 bottles like I do most of the time. http://compare.ebay.com/like/3505797...Types&var=sbar
I have bottle launchers on my hybrid. I very much prefer the camelbak. I also find I drink more often with the nozzle right there in my face.


Genaro, I do also have a 70oz camelbak Rouge that I picked up for $15 last year, and I use it in the spring/fall. The 100oz one is my goto bag for the summer though. The Octane XCT is a better option all around, but for a SART ride you probably don't need all the extra storage and whatnot.

Good luck on the goal. It took me a while to hit sub 3 hours. You could always get some aerobars, altho they're not as useful on the weekends.
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The specalized rib cages hold the bottles very well. They survived the bumpy cool breeze
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I lost one of my favorite camelbak podium big chills on cool breeze... I usually drink from the bottle on the downtube and swap with the seat tube bottle when it's empty and my stupid cage apparently set my bottle free on a big downhill. I had just emptied the other bottle so I had to go back up the hill looking for it to no avail. I started getting severe cramps about 8 miles later, I wonder if there's a correlation. Blech.

Cheap generic aluminum cages are being replaced with Arundel Dave-O cages tomorrow when the UPS man arrives.

As for the camelbak - I have something similar (kelty?) and besides having an extra 70oz of ice cold water available on long, unsupported rides, it's also nice to get snacks, cash & phones out of my jersey pockets on those long rides
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cdp8: you'd have to be nuts to put a bottle under the downtube! That's the filthiest part of the bike! A 3rd bottle in a jersey pocket would probably be better for a roadie who's camelbak shy.
Touring frames have braze ons on the bottom of the downtubes.

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I lost one of my favorite camelbak podium big chills on cool breeze...
I saw 2 of them in the gutter along the route.
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I did see one along the 101? Near the end at any rate... I was more interested in just finishing at that point than replacing the one I lost.

I hope somebody gets good use out of it, it was pretty new. Oh well.
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I also find I drink more often with the nozzle right there in my face.
Since this thread has already been D.B. Cooper'ed, let me ask y'all a question. Has anyone used the tube insulator that Camelbak offers? They are bendable and supposedly keep the fluid in the tube cool so your don't get that annoying mouthful of boiling gatorade. Do they work?
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