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Old 09-02-12, 11:43 PM   #26
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I commute to work on SART everyday. In the late afternoon, between 17th street (the park and Wooden bridge) and Memorie LN, there are lots of noncyclist using the trail, joggers, families, women pushing strollers, dog walkers,
I ride sart often and that area is nuts. I don't know why but it is.

The other danger zone is those curves in between mile 19 and 20. I have personally seen/seen the immediate aftermath of 4 accidents in there.
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Good grief, that goes beyond the pale.
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WOW too bad that happened! Must have been hilarious to watch. Never start a fight wearing lycra!
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Rode the SART (for the first time) on Labor Day. A guy in front of me was passing a family when a fast moving cyclist rounded the bend and got startled by the guy being slightly in his lane. He started cussing that dude out and flipped him off as he passed by. Right by the family with a couple kids.

What a tool.
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Rode the SART (for the first time) on Labor Day. A guy in front of me was passing a family when a fast moving cyclist rounded the bend and got startled by the guy being slightly in his lane. He started cussing that dude out and flipped him off as he passed by. Right by the family with a couple kids.

What a tool.
Some would just say that is the natural order of things. Which # was this guy? Probably number 1.
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Wonder if its the same "peloton" I've seen a couple times over the last 2 years on the SART. They take both lanes and wave you out of the way if you're in their path. What the hell? I've moved over both times as much as I could, but felt pretty pissed off afterwards both times.

On the other hand when I saw the Competitive Cyclist team out on the SART in their team jerseys (in town for a race), they were single file and very polite. Also they were probably only doing 21mph, rather than some final bunched up sprint on the MUP, dogs and children be damned.
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Wonder if its the same "peloton" I've seen a couple times over the last 2 years on the SART.
All wearing same Jerseys? I usually go north up the SART early Sunday mornings, one southbound club in particular ,though they don't take up both lanes, ride pretty sloppy. More than a few times I've moved over as far right as possible especially down the underpasses to avoid some guys coming head on into my lane. If one of you wannabes is reading this: "I fart in your general direction!" You guys are truly tools!
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I was riding with my women's club on our "beginner" ride going north on SGRT and two guys in front of us were waiting for a south bound cyclist to go by so they could pass the couple who were walking their dogs on the MUP.

Operative word: MULTI-USE PATH

The south bound cyclist complained rudely to the dog walkers that they had no right to be there as it is a BIKE PATH and were blocking the cyclists behind them. This section of SGRT is narrow and there is NO shoulder for them to walk on. They were as far over as they could be.

The two cyclists in front of my group said some stuff rudely to the couple as well as they made their pass.

I loudly called after the southbound guy and the two north bound guys that the trail is a MUP and as such the folks with their dogs were within their rights to be there. You don't like it go ride on the road.

The river trails are not just for bikes.

Do I prefer just cyclists? Sure...but I also don't ride in a double pace line hogging up both sides while doing 20+ mph and expecting others to move out of MY way.
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I used to get mad about cyclists' rude behavior but I have given up. For one, I don't ride many MUP's any more. It's not just the cyclists but trail runners in large packs 4 abreast, those dog walkers with 80' leads on the dog and everyone who seems to have forgotten it is a multi-use trail.

To me this is a newish behavior that affects not only MUPs but dirt trails and the road as well. Did a metric on the road this weekend and was past by several large groups - no one person called out; no one. I had no idea how many people were in the group and how long I had to hold my breathe and stay put as they rode past. We did ride along some of parts of bike trails and were past by two or three idiots who thought this was the Tour De France, flying around everyone without once calling out. All one walker had to do was turn to the left and BAM; everyone down!

Dirt trails have gotten as bad. I love riding singletrack but its a rule of etiquette never to ride beyond your ability to control the bike. Can't tell you how many times I have almost had head on collison with some idiot that thinks he is alone on the trail. and forget horse riders and walkers - they don't exist. And forget the rule the rider going uphill has the right of way; downhillers expect everyone to clear off for them.

I love the fact so many people are embracing cycling but I hate the fact so many come into the sport without learning the proper etiquette, expertise and knowledge. So many MTB riders are now tackling trails way over their heads just ruining them for everyone (tons of stutter bumps from braking).

Anyway, like I said - just don't think about it anymore... I can't control the world.
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Old 09-12-12, 03:20 PM   #36
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More than a few times I've moved over as far right as possible especially down the underpasses to avoid some guys coming head on into my lane.
I wouldn't move out of the way if they were coming onto my lane.

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A small peloton of Lycra-clad cyclists came northbound around a bend, taking up both lanes. Most moved over into the northbound lane; one just waved his hand at me to give way, which would have put me into a particularly ugly-looking patch of cactus. There was nowhere for me to go; we collided.
Maybe someone else can explain this to me, but why would you expect someone to "give way" when they have the right of way?

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Old 09-12-12, 06:12 PM   #37
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I wouldn't move out of the way if they were coming onto my lane.

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Maybe someone else can explain this to me, but why would you expect someone to "give way" when they have the right of way?
I am with you, I will not move. If nobody yields, may be these wannabe idiots will learn to stay in their lanes.
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Maybe someone else can explain this to me, but why would you expect someone to "give way" when they have the right of way?
There's no logical explanation for it other than trying to scare people out of your way. It would be like passing somebody in your car on a two lane road and expecting oncoming traffic to pull over. At least the jerk in the article got what what he deserved.

That being said I'd rather avoid an altercation altogether, and avoid possible injury and damage to the bike, than than let my ego get the best of me.
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Maybe someone else can explain this to me, but why would you expect someone to "give way" when they have the right of way?
Moving out of the way would display wisdom, that is why.

Taking 15 seconds out of your life could save time in handcuffs, a fight, and the risk of some kind of injury.
Not just injury to yourself, but injuring others often sticks with you for a while.

The wise man would take 15 seconds to avoid an accident. The fool would stay in their lane.
No one is being robbed or kidnapped. Its a bike trail. Pick better battles.
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Moving out of the way would display wisdom, that is why.

Taking 15 seconds out of your life could save time in handcuffs, a fight, and the risk of some kind of injury.
Not just injury to yourself, but injuring others often sticks with you for a while.

The wise man would take 15 seconds to avoid an accident. The fool would stay in their lane.
No one is being robbed or kidnapped. Its a bike trail. Pick better battles.
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Moving out of the way would display wisdom, that is why.
Putting my bike down and letting the dumbass hit my bike would stop him from doing that again.
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Putting my bike down and letting the dumbass hit my bike would stop him from doing that again.
Let me direct your attention to the following post in the "another cyclist killed on PCH" message:

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I've been hit and run twice on Pch. Once in HB and once in Sunset Beach. Both were from behind, one sent me onto my handle bars where I sat on them and tried to stop gracefully. Didn't. Watched the pickup driving away with the guys girlfriend hitting him from the side and screaming at him. I did not catch him. Second was in HB. Hit as I was slowing to a stoplight. I crossed over the right turn lane and was slowing into a group of riders when I was picked up from behind and speared into my helmut was the bolt holding a big mirror. I went a couple of feet haning on this until I dropped off and rolled. My bike kept going and I jumped up and chased it. Tough with clip ins. He might of stopped but in my addreniline rush caused me to jump on the bike and give chase. I only lasted about a hundred feet when I collapsed from loss of blood. Almost became a statistic. Some might wish I had. Still ride at least 150 miles a week. I try to stay with a group if I can but we know its dangerous out there. My worst accident though was on SART. Coming home in the late afternoon I was hit by a bicycle coming out of the blind turn at the end of the trail right before you go under the PCH bridge. That was July 3 2011. Head on, it was horrific. I am 6 foot and 215. The kid that hit me going the wrong way was all of 5 6' and 150 pounds. He want to the hospital. I got back on my bike and rode home. I couldn't get off my bike though so I dropped into the grass in front of my house. Two broken ankles, two broken wrists, and four broken ribs. His helmet outline was visible in the X-rays I later had. No insurance and four months of lost work. Hurt like hell. The worst was the road rash, like a blinding third degree burn. One year and three months later I still feel my ribs aching sometimes. Be careful out there. Sounds like I'm not but this is all that has ever happened to me in forty five years of riding.
Perhaps that will change your mind about the advisability of intentionally involving yourself in a crash.
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noncyclist using the trail, joggers, families, women pushing strollers, dog walkers, These people have just as much right to the trail as cyclist do
and they might be getting back in their car after getting off the trail and driving by cyclists.

Leave a good impression with them so they'll be courteous with us on the streets.
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To me this is a newish behavior that affects not only MUPs but dirt trails and the road as well....
.....I love the fact so many people are embracing cycling but I hate the fact so many come into the sport without learning the proper etiquette, expertise and knowledge. So many MTB riders are now tackling trails way over their heads just ruining them for everyone (tons of stutter bumps from braking).
I agree with you here lady, especially after reading some of the replies to the comments on this thread.
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I wouldn't move out of the way if they were coming onto my lane.

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Maybe someone else can explain this to me, but why would you expect someone to "give way" when they have the right of way?
I've thought the same thing when riding on the local bike path. I've also ridden on the left side of the center line when fighting the headwind and drafting off another rider. Luckily other riders gave way.
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I am with you, I will not move. If nobody yields, may be these wannabe idiots will learn to stay in their lanes.
For some past research, I spent 3 days observing in a criminal courtroom. There I learned punishment and violence teach people nothing.
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Why can't you teach your child to ride a bike in an empty parking lot? After the child learns to ride, then he or she can learn the rules of the bike trial during rides on the bike trail. This is wise and safe for the child, the parent, and other trail users who still will need to adjust their paces to avoid the child.
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I've been teaching my kids to yell "on your left, a$$hole" but you can only really do that on the bike trail. It doesn't have the same effect in a parking lot.

What to do, what to do... hm.

Didn't Carlin say everybody riding slower than him was a moron, and everybody riding faster is a lunatic? I may have paraphrased a bit. A little tolerance goes a long way.
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Why can't you teach your child to ride a bike in an empty parking lot? After the child learns to ride, then he or she can learn the rules of the bike trial during rides on the bike trail. This is wise and safe for the child, the parent, and other trail users who still will need to adjust their paces to avoid the child.
Agreed. My daughter was 10 the first time I took her onto the SART. My main concern was crazy adrenalyne cyclists, and her riding abilities. Wanted to make sure she could hold a straight line, especially on those spots with no guard next to the enbankment.
I've told this story before, but I love it. On her first ride on the SART, a Fred that was riding towards us yelled at her telling her to "Move over" She was in the middle of her lane while the 2 abreast peloton approached. One of my proudest moments as a parent was when she screamed back. "you stay on your side Lance!"

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