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Old 09-05-12, 07:50 AM   #1
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Where are you riding this weekend ? 09/08-09

On Saturday or Sunday (Haven't decided yet) I am heading towards Corona from Fontana where I"ll hop on the SART @ Green River, take that to PCH, to Seal Beach, Jump on the SGRT all the way to Irwindale where I'll work my way to Foothill and head back home via Foothill/Baseline.

I've never ridden on the SGRT - Any pointers traveling North on SGRT ? I estimate I'll be going through there around 8 or 9 as I am leaving my house around 4
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You Crazy. There is one fork on the trail, (stay left). There is also a hard blind 270 turn probabley 2/3 of the way back.

Saturday I hope to go to cars n coffee and then hunnington. Riding will be on Sunday either local (GMR) or in Yucaipa.
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Not sure where yet, but my Aunt is coming back for her beagle on Saturday, so I'll be free-at-last on Sunday to ride my bike or paddle my kayak until I barf.
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On Saturday or Sunday (Haven't decided yet)
I've never ridden on the SGRT - Any pointers traveling North on SGRT ? I estimate I'll be going through there around 8 or 9 as I am leaving my house around 4
There is a detour on SGRT. Here is what GarfieldCat wrote about in a recent thread:

I think its the Artesia Blvd tunnel that's closed. Going down and up that concrete embankment is kind of steep and the consequences are severe if you don't make it. Some riders walk their bikes down and up the embankment.

Near the Artesia Blvd SGRT is also the Coyote Creek Bike trail that actually connects to the SGRT. I don't know the conditions of any kind of Coyote Creek closures, but that would be an alternative route to bypass the closed Artesia tunnel.

The distance between the SGRT and the Coyote Creek trail while on Artesia Blvd is about .83 of a mile, going West on Artesia.
http://www.bikeforums.net/showthread.php/841542-Sgrt

I am riding up Hwy. 38 from the ranger station to Onyx Summit on Saturday if anyone wants to join me. I know Lesper is interested, but he can't ride Saturday and I can't ride Sunday. I'm planning an early start (on the bike between 6:30 and 7am).
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Genaro - couple things.

1) don't accidentally get on Coyote Creek. Take the bridge over so you can continue north on SGRT
2) there's a detour on the SGRT - you'll need to get off SGRT at 183rd, head west on 183rd to Palo Verde, North to Artesia and then East back to SGRT. It's apparently an easy detour. I would highly recommend you do NOT ride down into the river bed (although you can) simply because there is a lot of tire puncturing debris down there.
3) take care at the Whittier underpass - it's a skinny little dark tunnel.

I think the blind 270 lesper is talking about is where you switch from the east side of the "river" back to the west side at San Gabriel river parkway. Shift all the way down before you take the turn (so you'll go Whittier underpass, then Beverly underpass, then San Gabriel)

Obviously, there is water at the end of SART at those restrooms but there's also a little diner with an outdoor water fountain (I use it all the time and I'm still alive) at the terminus of SGRT in Seal Beach. Most of the parks on SGRT will also have water fountains but it appears to dry up north of Whittier Blvd. If you get off at Whittier and head towards the freeway, there's a mobil station there with a minimart (so it's extremely close to the trail) if you need any there.

I would take Sierra Madre through azusa rather than foothill and then work your way down to foothill when you get to the GMR area.

How far is that? Has to be over 100 miles... it's about 73 miles for me (but I start and end in Whittier, so a lot less than what you're about to do.)

Speaking of, i'll probably just doodle up and down SGRT on Saturday morning and then Sunday I'll commute from Whittier to San Juan Capistrano for my kid's soccer games, probably via Cannon Rd and Santiago Canyon to get some hills in since GMR is kerput for a while.
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I would take Sierra Madre through azusa rather than foothill and then work your way down to foothill when you get to the GMR area.
^ This, definitely this! Foothill through Azusa is a nightmare, especially the bridge over the river.

Sat is a honey do day for me, Sunday I'll probably do a couple of figure 8's around Bonelli.
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Genaro - couple things.

1) don't accidentally get on Coyote Creek. Take the bridge over so you can continue north on SGRT
2) there's a detour on the SGRT - you'll need to get off SGRT at 183rd, head west on 183rd to Palo Verde, North to Artesia and then East back to SGRT. It's apparently an easy detour. I would highly recommend you do NOT ride down into the river bed (although you can) simply because there is a lot of tire puncturing debris down there.
3) take care at the Whittier underpass - it's a skinny little dark tunnel.

I think the blind 270 lesper is talking about is where you switch from the east side of the "river" back to the west side at San Gabriel river parkway. Shift all the way down before you take the turn (so you'll go Whittier underpass, then Beverly underpass, then San Gabriel)

Obviously, there is water at the end of SART at those restrooms but there's also a little diner with an outdoor water fountain (I use it all the time and I'm still alive) at the terminus of SGRT in Seal Beach. Most of the parks on SGRT will also have water fountains but it appears to dry up north of Whittier Blvd. If you get off at Whittier and head towards the freeway, there's a mobil station there with a minimart (so it's extremely close to the trail) if you need any there.

I would take Sierra Madre through azusa rather than foothill and then work your way down to foothill when you get to the GMR area.

How far is that? Has to be over 100 miles... it's about 73 miles for me (but I start and end in Whittier, so a lot less than what you're about to do.)

Speaking of, i'll probably just doodle up and down SGRT on Saturday morning and then Sunday I'll commute from Whittier to San Juan Capistrano for my kid's soccer games, probably via Cannon Rd and Santiago Canyon to get some hills in since GMR is kerput for a while.
Thanks Guys, for the tips. I think its close to 125 miles - I've already used my annual "wife bailout" card so I 'm going to have to pace myself well and hydate/eat well. : )
One more question. Will SGRT take me all the way to Santa Fe Dam ? I used to run there and know my way around and would like to ride up, around, and through to get to Foothill/Sierra Madre

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I'm pretty sure the SGRT goes through Santa Fe Dam. If it doesn't go through, it goes right next to it.

Found this online, it might help you.

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...el-River-Trail

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I'm pretty sure the SGRT goes through Santa Fe Dam. If it doesn't go through, it goes right next to it.

Found this online, it might help you.

http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path...el-River-Trail
Thanks. Looks SGRT will dump me right at Arrow. Perfect. Santa Fe Dam used to be one of my favorite places to run.
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There is water there, too. And maybe a chance to buy Gatorade, soft drinks and tubes if the guys hanging out with the baby trailer turned pit stop are there...

There is also water at Thienes and if you get off the trail, there's a little convenience store close by, too.

In other words, there is life north of Whittier!
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Genaro, you can see the way I went when I rode up to GMR - note that I went the WRONG way (had to ride on a little dirt road for a bit) in that park by the dam going north, but got it right going south. There's a little guard shack looking thing at the end of the dam and the path starts back up over to the right (I missed it). Mix and match as appropriate

http://app.strava.com/activities/16750453

Of course, if you're getting off on Arrow highway you need to know none of this. And you're crazy. But yeah, you just cross over Arrow and head up to the top of the dam if you want to keep going north.
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There is also water at Thienes and if you get off the trail, there's a little convenience store close by, too.

In other words, there is life north of Whittier!
Pfft, life north of Whittier. Indeed.

Where's the water at Thienes? Is it a water fountain or do you have to track down a store? That would be a pretty spectacular place for water for my riding requirements.
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There is or was a guy selling gatorade and coke at the end of SGRT by the damn as well.
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Fountain right there...

...or the little store not too far.

Ja ja ja bike path sooo good..
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Well, dang, I must have ridden right by it and not noticed. Thanks.
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Genaro...

The detour if you are going NORTH on SGRT is at SOUTH STREET...go under South Street and exit to the right just after coming up on the north side....go up to South Street and right/west on South Street to Palos Verdes ...turn right...go to Artesia Blvd and turn right...get back on SGRT and continue north.

The blockage is actually at the underpass/tunnel at 183rd.

Here is my Strava data showing me taking the detour (I went to the blockage first tho and turned around and headed back South to South Street to exit and take detour.
http://app.strava.com/rides/19847697

I do not recommend going down into the riverbed to ride for any distance as there is crap down there that you don't want to run over.

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You can also try this: Exit SGRT at South Street...go west to the other side of the river and get on that sides trail...go to 183rd and exit ...go west on 183rd to Palos Verdes turn right/north to Artesia ...turn right and back to SGRT.

You cannot go north past 183rd as the exit off that sides trail at Artesia is locked/shut

I tried that on Monday and found the exit on Artesia blocked.

Here is my Strava route from that ride showing my alternate detour:
http://app.strava.com/rides/20774162
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I agree with the advice to avoid Foothill and take Sierra Madre - that will take you all the way to where GMR starts. At that time of the morning you will likely see a coyote or two North of Artesia on SGRT. portions of it are new pavement - its a decent trail. That is a one long ride. I'll be at soccer games all day saturday, woo hoo!
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The Green River Rd to PCH is a nice smooth ride; I will be doing the Griffin Park on Saturday and the San Gabriel River on Sunday if everything goes well I'm looking to ride 100 miles this weekend.

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Is artesia the scary narrow tunnel? Or the place where you have to dismount and walk across a bridge? My memory is hazy.
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...or the little store not too far. . . .Ja ja ja bike path sooo good..
I'll have to try that sometime Alice ! I seem to spend all my riding weekends on mountain roads.

This weekend I'm off to Mammoth for the High Sierra Century. Planet Ultra cancelled the Eastern Sierra Double this year, so I'm riding HSC as a (kind of) substitute ride in the same (beautiful!) area.

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I'll have to try that sometime Alice ! I seem to spend all my riding weekends on mountain roads.

This weekend I'm off to Mammoth for the High Sierra Century. Planet Ultra cancelled the Eastern Sierra Double this year, so I'm riding HSC as a (kind of) substitute ride in the same (beautiful!) area.

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I will take photos Vic, but I'm sure I won't be able to meet your high standards of photographic/artistic creatiivity in the Eastern Sierras! That said, I'll see what I can get and post here if I get half decent results.

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Is artesia the scary narrow tunnel? Or the place where you have to dismount and walk across a bridge? My memory is hazy.
The scary tunnel is underneath Whittier Blvd.
Genaro: You can go underneath or over Whittier. There is a ARCO/Car Wash just east from there, pick up provisions there as that last section of that last part of the SGRT can turn into a death march if you didnt hydrate. Trust me. Also, pick up a NRG cd from the vendor at the car wash, if your into those kind of tunes.
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Is artesia the scary narrow tunnel? Or the place where you have to dismount and walk across a bridge? My memory is hazy.
No...that is at Whittier Blvd.

The detour is to get around the 183rd tunnel closure.

If coming SOUTH get off at Artesia and go WEST to Palos Verdes...Go South to EITHER 1. South Street and go East to get back on SGRT (or) 2. Turn east at 183rd and get on the WEST side of the river...and go south to South Street...cross South St and go East to entrance to SGRT off South St.

If going North get off at South St. (after going under it) and go West on South St to EITHER 1. the entrance to the trail on the West side..which you can take North to 183rd...exit onto 183rd and go West to Palos Verdes, turn North to Artesia and turn East to get back to SGRT (or) 2. go west on South St. to Palos Verdes and turn North to Artesia...then turn east back to trail and get back on to continue Northbound.
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