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    Quote Originally Posted by calamarichris View Post
    Whoah-hohoHO! Nice try wise guy!
    No push. Sagan came in a distant, pathetic third. That means you're buying my choice of pitcher.
    Don't Welch on this, as there's only two things we Irish are known for...
    OK gloves are off then.

    you said

    "I take it you've never climbed Cole Grade Road (after climbing Palomar). I'll bet you $200 that Sagan is not in the top-three of this stage."

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    No push. Sagan came in a distant, pathetic third"

    I agree no push your buying
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallo View Post
    OK gloves are off then.

    you said

    "I take it you've never climbed Cole Grade Road (after climbing Palomar). I'll bet you $200 that Sagan is not in the top-three of this stage."

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    No push. Sagan came in a distant, pathetic third"

    I agree no push your buying
    Heh--Pity you declined that bet, citing family, being responsible, etc. and left my unshaken hand hanging in the breeze.
    I'll pay up in pitchers & pies if you ever want to meet for pizza & brew, and a ride when it cools back down.
    They're opening a new Pizza Port right up here in Bressi Ranch/Carlsbad, a five-iron's distance from my work. (Just when I was starting to get back down to race weight. Ah well, when Allah gives you lemons...)
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    Found some feedback from Etape. Looks like it was an extreme sufferfest that started with poor planning and clinched by the weather. People towards the tail end complaining about aid stations running out of food and electrolytes; unmarked turns (one group made it past Warner Springs before realizing they were going wrong way); and then slowest riders were done in by the heat and the incline of Cole Grade. Here's a very succinct review: http://app.strava.com/activities/53708839

    I suspect that many non-locals taking the long route were misled into thinking that they were done climbing at the top of Palomar, and took off without proper hydration. The ones taking the short route had 32 miles between the aid station on Mesa Grande and the aid station in Valley Center.

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    I would guess that some people who are not local and or avid cyclists also came out because of all the hoop-law? I think the heat just made things worst but all manners?

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    Yeah, I tried to save up for Cole Grade, but it was a hot, dry day and I didn't have but one match left by then. Not the toughest I've ever done, but it was up there.
    It really did not help that the guy giving the rider safety briefing was pretty jocularly HTFU about it, saying, "After you descend Palomar, there's just one little roller left up Cole Grade, but you guys'll be able to big-ring it, right??"
    I thought about correcting him, but no one likes a smartass who corrects the teacher.

    I suspect the low-turnout caused them to do a quick adjustment on expenditures. The last two years have seen fields of 1500+, but this one barely made it over 500. Perhaps because the Diablo l'Etape bled off a few sissies looking for an easier way to score an 'Etape T-shirt?

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    What a tough finish to the TOC today. As riders went over, they had to be propped up by helpers. The road is 22% at the line! It's hard to walk over there..it's easier to actually take a little trolly from the parking lot 100 yards down than to walk to the buildings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calamarichris View Post
    Yeah, I tried to save up for Cole Grade, but it was a hot, dry day and I didn't have but one match left by then. Not the toughest I've ever done, but it was up there.
    It really did not help that the guy giving the rider safety briefing was pretty jocularly HTFU about it, saying, "After you descend Palomar, there's just one little roller left up Cole Grade, but you guys'll be able to big-ring it, right??"
    I thought about correcting him, but no one likes a smartass who corrects the teacher.

    I suspect the low-turnout caused them to do a quick adjustment on expenditures. The last two years have seen fields of 1500+, but this one barely made it over 500. Perhaps because the Diablo l'Etape bled off a few sissies looking for an easier way to score an 'Etape T-shirt?
    I don't think some of those Etape riders really knew what 10-11kft of climbing really is. There are ONLY a hand full of flat sections on that course. Then hit Palomar somewhere in the 60 mile range and Cole grade in the 75 mile range.

    Watching the event on NBC sports, I was very surprised how fast they flew up Palomar and how SHATTERED the group was on Cole grade. BTW I hate Cole grade everytime I ride Palomar from my house, but it's the safer way out of the valley, not the best though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
    I don't think some of those Etape riders really knew what 10-11kft of climbing really is. There are ONLY a hand full of flat sections on that course. Then hit Palomar somewhere in the 60 mile range and Cole grade in the 75 mile range.

    Watching the event on NBC sports, I was very surprised how fast they flew up Palomar and how SHATTERED the group was on Cole grade. BTW I hate Cole grade everytime I ride Palomar from my house, but it's the safer way out of the valley, not the best though.
    Surprisingly, it was NOT 11,000 feet as advertised. Only about 8500. I couldn't understand why this seemed so much harder than Breathless Agony last weekend. The heat I guess, and I went much faster overall than at BA. Both were fun, and despite eating and drinking as much as I liked all week, I'm still 7 pounds lighter than I was the Friday before last.

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    I don't think they had even 500. Their results page reports 317 people making it to the top of Palomar. Lost some people to Mount Diablo and maybe some Angelenos sat it out because it's kind of on the periphery of SoCal.

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    Blame it on the heat, yeah yeah...

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    Quote Originally Posted by calamarichris View Post
    Surprisingly, it was NOT 11,000 feet as advertised. Only about 8500. I couldn't understand why this seemed so much harder than Breathless Agony last weekend. The heat I guess, and I went much faster overall than at BA. Both were fun, and despite eating and drinking as much as I liked all week, I'm still 7 pounds lighter than I was the Friday before last.
    I know going clockwise like the classic Pie ride Century is around 10k but most of that is pretty front loaded. Didn't have a garmin last time I rode that loop so iduno. I never had the desire to do it reverse.

    Congrats on keeping the water weight down, I'd filled it back up w/ beer by now

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsigone View Post
    I know going clockwise like the classic Pie ride Century is around 10k but most of that is pretty front loaded. Didn't have a garmin last time I rode that loop so iduno. I never had the desire to do it reverse.

    Congrats on keeping the water weight down, I'd filled it back up w/ beer by now
    Heh heh. I was peeing clear that night and the next morning. But when I went to bed both nights (after BA & l'Etape) my pulse was racing at 110 when I was lying down and trying to get to sleep.
    I'm convinced recovery burns up a fair amount of energy.
    I think our going up the 78 (instead of Highland Valley Road) is what cut down a lot of the climbing.
    I'm looking forward to doing the Pie Ride in the proper clockwise fashion here soon, as soon as it cools back down again.

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    Chris congratulations on the finish. A friend of mine rode it and over the last couple months I rode with him as he trained. He wanted me to ride it but that last Cole Grade climb would have done me in. He turned 61 on Saturday and that was his "birthday present" to himself.

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    Man, I didn't even know there was a L'Etape, how do you guys find out about these events?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by enjoi07 View Post
    Man, I didn't even know there was a L'Etape, how do you guys find out about these events?!
    Clicky.

    And thanks Matt! The real rider is your friend. Cole Grade was a ballbreaker; I can't imagine doing it again in 17 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by calamarichris View Post
    Clicky.

    And thanks Matt! The real rider is your friend. Cole Grade was a ballbreaker; I can't imagine doing it again in 17 years.
    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by calamarichris View Post
    Clicky.

    And thanks Matt! The real rider is your friend. Cole Grade was a ballbreaker; I can't imagine doing it again in 17 years.
    I can't imagine doing it now and I'm 45. Forgot to mention he almost died from a subdural hematoma and had emergency brain surgery 18 months ago. Then he got back on the bike earlier than the doctors wanted so I insisted on riding with him when he did. Thought I was going to be calling the morgue for sure! One of the last rides, as we began the climb up Lake Wohlford Road he yells back to me "I'm going to take your strategy and take it easy at around 6.5 mph up this"....I told him it's not a "strategy" it's the only way I know how to do it. Lol.

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    Stage 3 starts about a mile from my house, but I couldn't get off work to attend/watch. I'm getting a hoot out of the comments on the cyclingnews live feed. They are going on and on about the wind, tumbleweeds, cowboys, and nice houses out in the middle of nowhere. Just another typical day in the Antelope Valley.
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    I was at finish area for Stage 2. OMG it was brutally hot just standing there... I felt really bad for the riders...suffering doesn't do justice to how they looked.
    Move along....nothing to see here....anymore.

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    ^any pictures?

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    Lots! Need to upload to photobucket but here is a taste

    Winner Janier Acevedo


    Tejay VanGarderen


    Not sure name


    Team Cannondale and Peter Sagan
    Move along....nothing to see here....anymore.

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    Watching those guys positively KEEL OVER at the top was enlightening! Wow! What a brutal stage that turned out to be.

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    Tour of California 2013

    It was extremely brutal. We felt bad for them as they passed especially the later ones. They were waving all over the road and the pain/exhaustion was so visible
    Move along....nothing to see here....anymore.

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    I couldn't help but think there was a more level stretch to put the finish line. They were so spent once across the line yet it still looked like a 15% incline.

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    It was 22% from what I know at finish line....it was a steep incline from where we were standing and went beyond the finish...hence the guys grabbing them immediately after crossing it...

    just below where we stood was a sort of flatter section that could have been used tho not sure how much it would have helped them
    Move along....nothing to see here....anymore.

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