1 dead, 2 injured cyclists at Pendleton.
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In general, the Marines & others who drive on Pendleton are per capita MUCH more polite and safety conscious than the ambient traffic in SoCal, but the only two incidents I've encountered have been in situations you describe, Bikeme.
It's their base and we're fortunate to be permitted there at all, so I usually just flash them a peace sign (which could be taken as an acerbic response. )
It's their base and we're fortunate to be permitted there at all, so I usually just flash them a peace sign (which could be taken as an acerbic response. )
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I've ridden through Pendleton over 20 times, and I have yet to have a bad encounter with anyone. In fact, I feel a lot safer there than I do riding through Rancho Santa Fe, with its torn up roads and residents who are furious at cyclists hindering them from getting to Starbucks on time.
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I have ridden the base numerous times as well, never once have I had an issue. This incident is a grim reminder that accidents do happen and as cyclists we are at an extreme disadvantage.
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The latest reports have the bus driver at fault for trying to pass the cyclists and swerving into them.
https://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/...n-crash-heinz/
https://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/...n-crash-heinz/
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Still no mention of the cyclists' position in the lane, but it is curious that the bus had to enter the northbound lanes to get around them.
I can't think of a single point on the roads through Pendleton that isn't wide enough for a vehicle to get around me when I'm riding FRAP, (which I always do) without having to cross the center divide.
I can't think of a single point on the roads through Pendleton that isn't wide enough for a vehicle to get around me when I'm riding FRAP, (which I always do) without having to cross the center divide.
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I almost got creamed by a reticulating bus in the UCSD area. The driver pulled out in the opposite lane to pass me, and then cut back in. The tail end of the bus sandwiched me between it and the curb with only about an inch to spare. The driver was oblivious, of course.
While most bus drivers I've encountered have been great, there are a few that are real a$$hats.
I'm willing to bet that this is a direct result of outsourcing drivers to a 3rd company. That way the transit district can wash their hands of any responsibility.
While most bus drivers I've encountered have been great, there are a few that are real a$$hats.
I'm willing to bet that this is a direct result of outsourcing drivers to a 3rd company. That way the transit district can wash their hands of any responsibility.
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Sadly, I knew the rider killed. I didn't know him well; but did race against him in CX and have raced in the same field with his wife as well.
I really feel for the kids who will grow up without their father.
I really feel for the kids who will grow up without their father.
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I almost got creamed by a reticulating bus in the UCSD area. The driver pulled out in the opposite lane to pass me, and then cut back in. The tail end of the bus sandwiched me between it and the curb with only about an inch to spare. The driver was oblivious, of course.
While most bus drivers I've encountered have been great, there are a few that are real a$$hats.
I'm willing to bet that this is a direct result of outsourcing drivers to a 3rd company. That way the transit district can wash their hands of any responsibility.
While most bus drivers I've encountered have been great, there are a few that are real a$$hats.
I'm willing to bet that this is a direct result of outsourcing drivers to a 3rd company. That way the transit district can wash their hands of any responsibility.
Again condolences to the family and a speedy recovery to those that were hit.
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An accident claim has been posted by the attorney (Richard Duquette) for one of the riders, including pictures of the accident location and screen shots from the on-board video from the bus (I caution the stills from the bus can be rather haunting....)
https://www.911law.com/documents/Pret...r_Redacted.pdf
Road is narrow in this location, constrained by guardrails on either side. Contrary to the NCTD claims that it was a sideswipe accident, the report says the impact zone is the FRONT of the bus, meaning the driver made no attempt to avoid the riders and plowed straight into them from behind.
EDIT: for anyone that knew Udo Heinz, there will be a memorial service tomorrow (Thurs) Aug 15 at Powerhouse Park in Del Mar
https://www.911law.com/documents/Pret...r_Redacted.pdf
Road is narrow in this location, constrained by guardrails on either side. Contrary to the NCTD claims that it was a sideswipe accident, the report says the impact zone is the FRONT of the bus, meaning the driver made no attempt to avoid the riders and plowed straight into them from behind.
EDIT: for anyone that knew Udo Heinz, there will be a memorial service tomorrow (Thurs) Aug 15 at Powerhouse Park in Del Mar
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Road is narrow in this location, constrained by guardrails on either side. Contrary to the NCTD claims that it was a sideswipe accident, the report says the impact zone is the FRONT of the bus, meaning the driver made no attempt to avoid the riders and plowed straight into them from behind.
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Given that he apparently swerved violently to avoid some cyclists a short distance prior to mowing down Heinz et. al. I'd think it's negligent rather than some buried anger against cyclists. I wonder what he was doing... texting? It's astounding how many people you see driving around looking down.
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Given that he apparently swerved violently to avoid some cyclists a short distance prior to mowing down Heinz et. al. I'd think it's negligent rather than some buried anger against cyclists. I wonder what he was doing... texting? It's astounding how many people you see driving around looking down.
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I raced against him as we'll. didn't know him personally but for sure knew of him. Terrible, this is the third loss for me personally this season with fellow racers passing away. Are there memorials working or links to funding or is there just going to be more bickering and know it alls about the merits of safety and not of a father who orphaned a child?
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Given that he apparently swerved violently to avoid some cyclists a short distance prior to mowing down Heinz et. al. I'd think it's negligent rather than some buried anger against cyclists. I wonder what he was doing... texting? It's astounding how many people you see driving around looking down.
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Here is the pretrial disclosure filed by the lawyer of John Edwards, one of the injured cyclists.
Edit: just finished reading this. The photos, taken from the bus, pretty clearly show that the story given to the press by the NCTD was just a coverup, i.e., that the bus driver went into the other lane and turned back in too early. Instead, it appears that the bus driver simply ran the riders down from behind.
I was wondering how a sideswipe could do so much damage. This explains it much more clearly. I hope the NCTD and their negligent driver get the book thrown at them.
Edit: just finished reading this. The photos, taken from the bus, pretty clearly show that the story given to the press by the NCTD was just a coverup, i.e., that the bus driver went into the other lane and turned back in too early. Instead, it appears that the bus driver simply ran the riders down from behind.
I was wondering how a sideswipe could do so much damage. This explains it much more clearly. I hope the NCTD and their negligent driver get the book thrown at them.
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It looks like John Edwards case against NCTD has been settled.
Camp Pendleton Crash Case Settles for Damages and Safer Roads in San Diego County | PRLog
Camp Pendleton Crash Case Settles for Damages and Safer Roads in San Diego County | PRLog
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No reflection on you Cbad, but what a terribly-written press release.
According to Mr. Duquette, “Regardless of compensation, Mr. Edwards’s overriding concern was to ensure that this type of bus accident, which resulted in serious injuries to him and the death of Udo Heinz, could be prevented going forward. This agreement’s provision mandatesNCTD and First Transit’s further advancement of its Bicycle Safety Program. It opens the door for our bicycle community to ensure that its interests are not only considered, but incorporated into the company’s safety policies and procedures.”
So the final result is that their drivers will have to sit through safety briefings about not hitting cyclists?
According to Mr. Duquette, “Regardless of compensation, Mr. Edwards’s overriding concern was to ensure that this type of bus accident, which resulted in serious injuries to him and the death of Udo Heinz, could be prevented going forward. This agreement’s provision mandatesNCTD and First Transit’s further advancement of its Bicycle Safety Program. It opens the door for our bicycle community to ensure that its interests are not only considered, but incorporated into the company’s safety policies and procedures.”
So the final result is that their drivers will have to sit through safety briefings about not hitting cyclists?
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It's "interesting" to say you're committed to bicycle safety but I wonder if any of those transit companies ever review their video tapes for near misses and other potential calamities. Or frankly, any other bad driver habits.
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I don't understand what gets you so upset in the PR. "Normal" and expected outcome would be for Mr. Edwards to get a large sum of money and to go away. Anything above and beyond that is icing on the cake. The PR specifically says that, in addition to the money, he extracted some sort of safety-related promises from the company. It's too vague and does not explain what these promises are, but just having them is a big plus.
Also, an attorney who would miss an opportunity to turn a PR into a promotional bit for him/herself is a bad attorney.
Also, an attorney who would miss an opportunity to turn a PR into a promotional bit for him/herself is a bad attorney.
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Not upset. Just stating without any emotion at all that the PR is terribly written and that we have no idea what is meant by NCTD and First Transit’s further advancement of its Bicycle Safety Program...
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I don't know if there's much that can be done to prevent these types of accidents.
Many passenger cars (mostly high-end) come with radar or optical collision prevention systems. In an accident like this (plowing into a bunch of cyclists head-on), the system would sound the alarm and, if that fails, would apply the brakes. But I don't know of any that can be retrofitted onto an older bus. Maybe their program could ensure that their future buses come with these systems.
Many passenger cars (mostly high-end) come with radar or optical collision prevention systems. In an accident like this (plowing into a bunch of cyclists head-on), the system would sound the alarm and, if that fails, would apply the brakes. But I don't know of any that can be retrofitted onto an older bus. Maybe their program could ensure that their future buses come with these systems.