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m2tiguy 08-26-13 10:16 PM

Chip Seal on Angeles Crest Highway
 
Anybody else, less than excited about the new paving job on Angeles Crest ??
additionally, anybody experimenting with larger tires to combat said pavement ?

Quasipun 08-26-13 10:47 PM

I've gotten stuck riding through it twice in areas where they were actively working on it now. I was not happy with the part they were working on, or the part they had finished. I'm already riding the largest tires my frame will allow. The condition of the road wasn't even that bad!

Rick@OCRR 08-27-13 07:53 AM

Agreed, there was no need to repave, the road was in very good condition.

That said, I rode the new chip seal from Hwy 39 up to Dawson Saddle and back on Saturday and it wasn't that bad. Not good, of course, but better than the pave' I've ridden in France or England, for example. Tire size-wise I was running 23 on the front and 25 on the rear, so I would say (overall) bad but not horrible.

I think Stefan rode the whole of AC up to Dawson so he would have a more valid opinion (having ridden more miles of it), so hopefully he'll chime in here.

Rick / OCRR

sleepy 08-27-13 02:04 PM

It's... Okay. Could feel the rumbling through my aluminum frame. But nothing too bonejarring.

jmX 08-27-13 04:32 PM

Chipseal seemed fine to me, altho there was a slight buzz in the handlebars. The only real downside to me is what road rash might look like if I were to touch.

The real issue up there now is all the gravel on the shoulder from the repave job, unless they've taken a street sweeper up there since I last rode it.

Jon

m2tiguy 08-27-13 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR (Post 16003417)
Agreed, there was no need to repave, the road was in very good condition.

That said, I rode the new chip seal from Hwy 39 up to Dawson Saddle and back on Saturday and it wasn't that bad. Not good, of course, but better than the pave' I've ridden in France or England, for example. Tire size-wise I was running 23 on the front and 25 on the rear, so I would say (overall) bad but not horrible.

I think Stefan rode the whole of AC up to Dawson so he would have a more valid opinion (having ridden more miles of it), so hopefully he'll chime in here.

Rick / OCRR

I'm moving to the 23-25 combo after doing a bit of reading - =

mtrider05 08-28-13 01:00 PM

It's been on the Wrightwood side of the highway since last year, it's terrible.

big john 08-28-13 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by mtrider05 (Post 16007949)
It's been on the Wrightwood side of the highway since last year, it's terrible.

Are you doing the ride from Encanto/ACH/hwy 39 this Saturday? I think it will be too hot but I'm considering doing part of it.

vertical bob 08-29-13 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by big john (Post 16008411)
Are you doing the ride from Encanto/ACH/hwy 39 this Saturday? I think it will be too hot but I'm considering doing part of it.

starting at Red Box 7am

sleepy 08-29-13 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vertical bob (Post 16013042)
starting at Red Box 7am



Wait, isn't that Encanto-39-ACH?

Oh, Red Box to Encanto and back? Nice.
Are you parking up near Red Box?

big john 08-29-13 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vertical bob (Post 16013042)
starting at Red Box 7am

Grassy Hollow? You do know there is a group doing the loop and another climbing 39 to Dawson?
I was thinking about meeting up with the first group somewhere along the way, or just go to Ventura with the club.

vertical bob 09-16-13 07:07 PM

Here's or chance to let Cal Trans what we think of their chip seal lets show up and scream bloody murder http://la.streetsblog.org/2013/09/01...y-committee-5/

peckma 09-17-13 11:24 AM

This situation seems to be happening more often when Caltrans decides to chip seal a state highway. Caltrans specified a larger size aggregate, or rock, in the chip seal mix when Hwy 1 above Cambria to Ragged Point was chip-sealed a year ago. Had been 1/4 inch, they went to 1/2# (I believe). The local cycling community up there is in an uproar, along with the residents whose cars and windshields were damaged. So far, a year later - nothing but Caltrans' promises to study the matter. Another highway up in Monterey, I think, go the same deal. Supposedly, the larger aggregate will last longer once the vehicle traffic pushes it into the pavement. Unfortunately, we cyclists riding on the right or on the shoulder don't weigh enough, thus that portion of the pavement stays gravelly.

sleepy 09-17-13 02:10 PM

It's a Cal-Trans conspiracy with Bike manufacturers to sell more Gravel bikes.

herbm 09-21-13 04:31 PM

OMG
Rode AC this AM....awful....very uncomfortable when climbing...the shoulders are nasty....
In the lane its a tad better as the cars have started to smooth it out a bit...

Downhill was so so....took the lane except where I could pull out to a smooth area... its oiled..but dry...

I can believe they couldn't even slurry this to smooth it out...that's not ideal., but better than whats there...

I have to seriously think about riding up there...not fun anymore..

vertical bob 09-22-13 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by herbm (Post 16090486)
OMG
Rode AC this AM....awful....very uncomfortable when climbing...the shoulders are nasty....
In the lane its a tad better as the cars have started to smooth it out a bit...

Downhill was so so....took the lane except where I could pull out to a smooth area... its oiled..but dry...

I can believe they couldn't even slurry this to smooth it out...that's not ideal., but better than whats there...

I have to seriously think about riding up there...not fun anymore..

We rode 80 miles on it yesterday Red Box to Grassy Hollow and back. Ya kinda get used to it but it sure beats me up. I'm not gonna let it keep me from riding my favorite mountains I guess. Herb, or anyone else, I'm gonna go to that Cal Trans meeting Friday am if you would like to go with. Take the Red Line for $1.50 If we don't scream about this nothing will ever get done about it.

herbm 09-22-13 07:22 PM

Bob...there should be a large ride organized like the one on pch...take the lane...all the way up AC see if that generates some press....
So fars its Cal Tran 1 cyclists 0

peckma 09-23-13 11:20 AM

Actually, perhaps there is hope. Caltrans has agreed to fix the crap-seal job done on Hwy 1 from Cambria to Ragged Point. It sounds like they will put a sealing coat on top of the chip sealed surface- sort of like icing on a cake to fill in the rough parts. Here's a link. http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist05/project...seal/index.htm With enough of a stink raised on the ACH crap-seal job, and maybe Caltrans will agree to fix it as well.

vertical bob 09-23-13 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by peckma (Post 16095639)
Actually, perhaps there is hope. Caltrans has agreed to fix the crap-seal job done on Hwy 1 from Cambria to Ragged Point. It sounds like they will put a sealing coat on top of the chip sealed surface- sort of like icing on a cake to fill in the rough parts. Here's a link. http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist05/project...seal/index.htm With enough of a stink raised on the ACH crap-seal job, and maybe Caltrans will agree to fix it as well.

That's great news, now to go to the meeting and stink up the place
http://la.streetsblog.org/2013/09/01...y-committee-5/

Lesper4 09-26-13 11:26 AM

Sign up Everyone!
https://www.change.org/petitions/cal...-such-highways

vertical bob 09-29-13 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lesper4 (Post 16106272)

I went to the Cal trans meeting on this issue on Friday. They are aware of our objections but I don't think the state cares much about us. Our best weapon is to sign this petition and make sure it gets in front of the right people. Re: the proposed fix on Hwy 1, they are coating a test portion that will be evaluated by UC Davis and if this is deemed a good fix they will then evaluate using it on AC. If we can't get them to re-coat the chip seal then it will be 8-10 years before anything else is scheduled to be done. How ya like them apples? Sign the petition please.

Lesper4 09-30-13 12:11 AM

That link might not be working so here is a different one. https://www.change.org/petitions/cal...-such-highways

jmX 09-30-13 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vertical bob (Post 16116098)
If we can't get them to re-coat the chip seal then it will be 8-10 years before anything else is scheduled to be done. How ya like them apples? Sign the petition please.

To be fair, the chipseal is less of an issue once the gravel clears. I'm sure by next summer angels crest will be pretty clean. The next 8 years should be fine.

vertical bob 09-30-13 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jmX (Post 16118374)
To be fair, the chipseal is less of an issue once the gravel clears. I'm sure by next summer angels crest will be pretty clean. The next 8 years should be fine.

What ? Do you work for Cal Trans? You are the only person I have heard from who feels that way.

jmX 09-30-13 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vertical bob (Post 16118613)
What ? Do you work for Cal Trans? You are the only person I have heard from who feels that way.

I rode Angels Crest to Dawson saddle a few days after they finished chipsealing it, and aside from the gravel it was fine. The descent obviously had a bit of buzz in the handlebars (boo hoo?), and I'd certainly not want to crash on it, but I'm not sure what the legitimate complaint would be. It's not the optimal surface for cyclists, but its a lightly traveled road up in the mountains...I'm not gonna complain.

The baldy ski lifts I'll avoid until next spring. No way I'd descend those switchbacks if they're covered in fresh gravel.


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