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    Chip Seal on Angeles Crest Highway

    Anybody else, less than excited about the new paving job on Angeles Crest ??
    additionally, anybody experimenting with larger tires to combat said pavement ?
    try harder,, just say'n

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    I've gotten stuck riding through it twice in areas where they were actively working on it now. I was not happy with the part they were working on, or the part they had finished. I'm already riding the largest tires my frame will allow. The condition of the road wasn't even that bad!

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    Agreed, there was no need to repave, the road was in very good condition.

    That said, I rode the new chip seal from Hwy 39 up to Dawson Saddle and back on Saturday and it wasn't that bad. Not good, of course, but better than the pave' I've ridden in France or England, for example. Tire size-wise I was running 23 on the front and 25 on the rear, so I would say (overall) bad but not horrible.

    I think Stefan rode the whole of AC up to Dawson so he would have a more valid opinion (having ridden more miles of it), so hopefully he'll chime in here.

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    It's... Okay. Could feel the rumbling through my aluminum frame. But nothing too bonejarring.

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    Chipseal seemed fine to me, altho there was a slight buzz in the handlebars. The only real downside to me is what road rash might look like if I were to touch.

    The real issue up there now is all the gravel on the shoulder from the repave job, unless they've taken a street sweeper up there since I last rode it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
    Agreed, there was no need to repave, the road was in very good condition.

    That said, I rode the new chip seal from Hwy 39 up to Dawson Saddle and back on Saturday and it wasn't that bad. Not good, of course, but better than the pave' I've ridden in France or England, for example. Tire size-wise I was running 23 on the front and 25 on the rear, so I would say (overall) bad but not horrible.

    I think Stefan rode the whole of AC up to Dawson so he would have a more valid opinion (having ridden more miles of it), so hopefully he'll chime in here.

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    It's been on the Wrightwood side of the highway since last year, it's terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtrider05 View Post
    It's been on the Wrightwood side of the highway since last year, it's terrible.
    Are you doing the ride from Encanto/ACH/hwy 39 this Saturday? I think it will be too hot but I'm considering doing part of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by big john View Post
    Are you doing the ride from Encanto/ACH/hwy 39 this Saturday? I think it will be too hot but I'm considering doing part of it.
    starting at Red Box 7am

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertical bob View Post
    starting at Red Box 7am


    Wait, isn't that Encanto-39-ACH?

    Oh, Red Box to Encanto and back? Nice.
    Are you parking up near Red Box?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertical bob View Post
    starting at Red Box 7am
    Grassy Hollow? You do know there is a group doing the loop and another climbing 39 to Dawson?
    I was thinking about meeting up with the first group somewhere along the way, or just go to Ventura with the club.

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    Here's or chance to let Cal Trans what we think of their chip seal lets show up and scream bloody murder http://la.streetsblog.org/2013/09/01...y-committee-5/

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    This situation seems to be happening more often when Caltrans decides to chip seal a state highway. Caltrans specified a larger size aggregate, or rock, in the chip seal mix when Hwy 1 above Cambria to Ragged Point was chip-sealed a year ago. Had been 1/4 inch, they went to 1/2# (I believe). The local cycling community up there is in an uproar, along with the residents whose cars and windshields were damaged. So far, a year later - nothing but Caltrans' promises to study the matter. Another highway up in Monterey, I think, go the same deal. Supposedly, the larger aggregate will last longer once the vehicle traffic pushes it into the pavement. Unfortunately, we cyclists riding on the right or on the shoulder don't weigh enough, thus that portion of the pavement stays gravelly.
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    It's a Cal-Trans conspiracy with Bike manufacturers to sell more Gravel bikes.

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    OMG
    Rode AC this AM....awful....very uncomfortable when climbing...the shoulders are nasty....
    In the lane its a tad better as the cars have started to smooth it out a bit...

    Downhill was so so....took the lane except where I could pull out to a smooth area... its oiled..but dry...

    I can believe they couldn't even slurry this to smooth it out...that's not ideal., but better than whats there...

    I have to seriously think about riding up there...not fun anymore..
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    Quote Originally Posted by herbm View Post
    OMG
    Rode AC this AM....awful....very uncomfortable when climbing...the shoulders are nasty....
    In the lane its a tad better as the cars have started to smooth it out a bit...

    Downhill was so so....took the lane except where I could pull out to a smooth area... its oiled..but dry...

    I can believe they couldn't even slurry this to smooth it out...that's not ideal., but better than whats there...

    I have to seriously think about riding up there...not fun anymore..
    We rode 80 miles on it yesterday Red Box to Grassy Hollow and back. Ya kinda get used to it but it sure beats me up. I'm not gonna let it keep me from riding my favorite mountains I guess. Herb, or anyone else, I'm gonna go to that Cal Trans meeting Friday am if you would like to go with. Take the Red Line for $1.50 If we don't scream about this nothing will ever get done about it.

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    Bob...there should be a large ride organized like the one on pch...take the lane...all the way up AC see if that generates some press....
    So fars its Cal Tran 1 cyclists 0
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    Actually, perhaps there is hope. Caltrans has agreed to fix the crap-seal job done on Hwy 1 from Cambria to Ragged Point. It sounds like they will put a sealing coat on top of the chip sealed surface- sort of like icing on a cake to fill in the rough parts. Here's a link. http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist05/project...seal/index.htm With enough of a stink raised on the ACH crap-seal job, and maybe Caltrans will agree to fix it as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by peckma View Post
    Actually, perhaps there is hope. Caltrans has agreed to fix the crap-seal job done on Hwy 1 from Cambria to Ragged Point. It sounds like they will put a sealing coat on top of the chip sealed surface- sort of like icing on a cake to fill in the rough parts. Here's a link. http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist05/project...seal/index.htm With enough of a stink raised on the ACH crap-seal job, and maybe Caltrans will agree to fix it as well.
    That's great news, now to go to the meeting and stink up the place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesper4 View Post
    I went to the Cal trans meeting on this issue on Friday. They are aware of our objections but I don't think the state cares much about us. Our best weapon is to sign this petition and make sure it gets in front of the right people. Re: the proposed fix on Hwy 1, they are coating a test portion that will be evaluated by UC Davis and if this is deemed a good fix they will then evaluate using it on AC. If we can't get them to re-coat the chip seal then it will be 8-10 years before anything else is scheduled to be done. How ya like them apples? Sign the petition please.

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    That link might not be working so here is a different one. https://www.change.org/petitions/cal...-such-highways
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    Quote Originally Posted by vertical bob View Post
    If we can't get them to re-coat the chip seal then it will be 8-10 years before anything else is scheduled to be done. How ya like them apples? Sign the petition please.
    To be fair, the chipseal is less of an issue once the gravel clears. I'm sure by next summer angels crest will be pretty clean. The next 8 years should be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmX View Post
    To be fair, the chipseal is less of an issue once the gravel clears. I'm sure by next summer angels crest will be pretty clean. The next 8 years should be fine.
    What ? Do you work for Cal Trans? You are the only person I have heard from who feels that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vertical bob View Post
    What ? Do you work for Cal Trans? You are the only person I have heard from who feels that way.
    I rode Angels Crest to Dawson saddle a few days after they finished chipsealing it, and aside from the gravel it was fine. The descent obviously had a bit of buzz in the handlebars (boo hoo?), and I'd certainly not want to crash on it, but I'm not sure what the legitimate complaint would be. It's not the optimal surface for cyclists, but its a lightly traveled road up in the mountains...I'm not gonna complain.

    The baldy ski lifts I'll avoid until next spring. No way I'd descend those switchbacks if they're covered in fresh gravel.

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