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Old 10-19-13, 03:02 PM   #51
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That sucks Chris. Did the police come out?
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Crud, I'm out, probably with a broken bone in my foot.
Some monster-truck clod turned off his signal (inadvertently, most likely) when he swing out of the left hand turn lane. Well, turns out the reason he was swinging out of the lane was because he was making a U-turn, he turned back into me and I'm pretty sure I've got at least one broken bone in my foot right now.
You guys have fun.
Get better soon, bro! Maybe we can organize a "boys night out" in that Ironfist brewery when your foot feels good enough to drive.

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Get better soon, bro! Maybe we can organize a "boys night out" in that Ironfist brewery when your foot feels good enough to drive.
It wasn't entirely his fault. I was in a hurry and should have waited to see what he was up to, before thinking it was safe to proceed. I just assumed he'd changed his mind about turning left and was going straight, but he executed a plowman's turn, (which is perhaps needed with those idiotic 4mpg behemoths.)
Yep, the police and paramedics came, but Angel and I were both fine. Went to my hospital today and have two broken metatarsals, when my foot was crushed by my crankcase when the motorcycle got knocked over. It could have (should have) been much worse.
Nice, neat little breaks, which will heal quickly. Just have to give up the coffee & tea for a while, and start eating fresh pineapple again every day.
This makes my lucky 13th broken bone, but the first time I've ever needed crutches. All my other broken bones happened while surfing, cycling, falling down an embankment during a rainy hike, and being tackled atop a pile of boulders at church camp. I feel pretty damn lucky right now, considering I just got hit by one of those idiotic monster trucks.
Ah well, a man without scars is a sad, sorry animal.

Hope I burned up all the bad juju for the weekend and you guys all have a fun AND SAFE ride up & down the mountain tomorrow.

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Bad news calamarichris. Glad they are at least clean breaks and it wasn't worse!
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great ride guys!! Perfect weather but some of those motos were ******** buzzing me on the decent. Ride stats http://www.strava.com/activities/90321429


Palomar south grade valley by jsig1, on Flickr


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Thanks for coming out guys. And thanks for waiting for me at the top.
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Wish I could've made it. Looks you guys had a blast save for getting buzzed a few times
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Great ride guys and thanks for organizing it, GP! It was nice meeting Hamster in person. According to my primitive computer - I made it from the Taco shop to the top in 1:45. East grade was bad - 1:32 from the Hwy 76 to the South Grade junction. I got back to Harrah's around 2:20 PM. Let's do something less masochistic next time. I know, I know - nobody made me do East Grade at gun point.
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It was nice meeting everyone (if only at the top). I did my usual: dragged my a** out of the house too late, raced to the meeting spot, got there at 9:12, everyone was gone, raced some more, burned out. Looks like I was only 5 min. behind Jeff by 76/South Grade, but by then I was going essentially non-stop for 2:15 so I threw in the towel (so to speak), took a break, broke out sunscreen and rode the rest of the way leisurely (or at least as leisurely as it is possible up South Grade).

Wheels held up through the climb and the descent, but there's some weirdness with power numbers on climbs, I seem to be climbing a bit slower than I should be. Rear wheel wasn't dished properly, maybe that's the cause. I suspect power meter calibration issues or mild brake rubbing. Opened the caliper, redid dishing when I got home, will see how it goes tomorrow.

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"A few times", ha ha. The rest of the guys may have gotten to the top just before the real fun began. I was catching my breath on the straight at the bottom of South Grade and I had the sport bike assembly site in view, there were at least 20 people there. They took off shortly after me. After that it was just zip, zip, zip one after another in both directions at borderline suicidal speeds. A few passed me on the descent and I had to brake to avoid broadsiding a sport bike whose rider decided to make a U-turn in front of me.
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I had to brake to avoid broadsiding a sport bike whose rider decided to make a U-turn in front of me.
I'd been tempted to hit the fucer and let him upgrade my bike U turn in a 40mph zone across double yellow....yah that's a easy win
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I'd been tempted to hit the fucer and let him upgrade my bike U turn in a 40mph zone across double yellow....yah that's a easy win
Yup ... across double yellow. If I broadside a sport bike going down South Grade, there are better than even odds that the guy won't even have high enough insurance coverage limits to pay all my hospital bills.
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good point...
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as expected...legs are pretty trashed today
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JSIGone, the pics from Palomar sure look nice! Nice ride on strava.


Obviously I didn't make it out there, and I ended up riding indoors on my trainer. I may just have do sign up for the Adventure corps ride on Palomar if I'm ever actually gonna get myself out there. If there's ever an epic forum Palomar ride that'd probably be more likely to get me to drive the 90 miles out there.
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nice to meet GP (thanks for arranging the ride!), jsigone (who set a blistering pace after stopping near the taco shop to help out his buddy) and to see JimmyNH again. even met hamster at the top.
always more fun to suffer with like-minded companions than to suffer alone.

special thanks for JimmyNH for serving as my virtual carrot (since he was dressed in bright orange euskatel kit) for the climb since he was always one, tantalyzing end of the switchback farther ahead
of me. zoomed up nearly 200 spots from 1204 on the strava climb rankings to just over 1000.

now i remember why i don't ride palomar on the weekends. crotch-rocket hell.
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good point...
Just checked what coverage I have on my sport bike. I have legal minimum in California, 15k per person bodily injury / 5k property damage. And the policy has an explicit exclusion saying that it won't pay "in excess of minimum financial responsibility requirements" if the incident occurs during "any hill climbing exhibition, any racing, speed contest, or stunting activity of any nature". Palomar is probably included. I take it to mean that, even if I were to buy a more expensive policy, insurance would only pay up to 15k in hospital bills and 5k in property damage to whoever I crash into on Palomar. (They, or their surviving descendants, would be free to sue me for the rest.) 15k barely gets you into a hospital these days. I don't think many people carry more than legal minimum on motorcycles anyways. The general line of thought is that, in a two-vehicle accident involving a motorcycle, the person riding the motorcycle is usually carried away in a stretcher and the person in the second vehicle is mostly unharmed. Motorcycle vs bicycle accidents are one notable exception to the rule.

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Palomar is an open public road, no waivers needed to ride it so it should not fall under the "racing, hill climb, stunting rule" should an accident occur. How people use the road is up the laws enforced or in this case not enforced.
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Palomar is an open public road, no waivers needed to ride it so it does not fall under the "racing, hill climb, stunting rule" should an accident occur. How people use the road is up the laws enforced or in this case not enforced.
FIFY. Palomar is a public road, and I'm sorry you guys got some hotheads up there. I've generally had good luck, because I ride FRAP on the way up, and time my descents so as to avoid the swarms. (That, and I descend about as fast as they can. ---3 of the 9 motorcycles I've passed were on Palomar.)
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There is a separate exclusion for competitive riding or riding on a race track.

Insurers can and do refuse to pay if you engage in street racing. If you choose to do a stop light race on a public street with your buddy and you crash, your insurance will refuse to pay for the damage to you and your car, and, if it has a provision like the one above, it won't pay more than "minimum financial responsibility requirements" ($15k bodily injury / $5k property injury) to anyone else you injure in process.

It will cost right in the neighborhood of $15k to get someone transported from Palomar to the nearest hospital by helicopter.

The only thing that's unclear is how the insurance company would view what those sport bikes do on Palomar. It's not quite racing (racing implies competing against each other or at least being timed). I'm not sure if it's a "hill climbing exhibition" or what that even means.
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I didn't notice the bikes but I kept the volume on my iPod as high as it will go. Unfortunately I hit the shuffle button so I had to listen to Johnny Cash singing a U2 song.
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next time...let's do the laguna/cuyamaca triangle. we'll get some sport motorcycles but it will be the
exception rather than the norm-even on a sunday. include kitchen creek if you want.
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There is a separate exclusion for competitive riding or riding on a race track.

Insurers can and do refuse to pay if you engage in street racing. If you choose to do a stop light race on a public street with your buddy and you crash, your insurance will refuse to pay for the damage to you and your car, and, if it has a provision like the one above, it won't pay more than "minimum financial responsibility requirements" ($15k bodily injury / $5k property injury) to anyone else you injure in process.

It will cost right in the neighborhood of $15k to get someone transported from Palomar to the nearest hospital by helicopter.

The only thing that's unclear is how the insurance company would view what those sport bikes do on Palomar. It's not quite racing (racing implies competing against each other or at least being timed). I'm not sure if it's a "hill climbing exhibition" or what that even means.
This is what a Lawyer is paid for.... I just want to ride my bike, not analyze if everyone has auto insurance and what their policy might cover despite wreckless driving.
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nice to meet GP (thanks for arranging the ride!), jsigone (who set a blistering pace after stopping near the taco shop to help out his buddy) and to see JimmyNH again. even met hamster at the top.
always more fun to suffer with like-minded companions than to suffer alone.

special thanks for JimmyNH for serving as my virtual carrot (since he was dressed in bright orange euskatel kit) for the climb since he was always one, tantalyzing end of the switchback farther ahead
of me. zoomed up nearly 200 spots from 1204 on the strava climb rankings to just over 1000.

now i remember why i don't ride palomar on the weekends. crotch-rocket hell.
Great riding with you again o-b! I've already mentioned that I had a slacker's ride on Saturday, while you guys were all beaten up from your respective Saturday rides. Anyway, now it's my turn to lick my wounds. I'm still tired from that ride.

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Palomar is a public road, and I'm sorry you guys got some hotheads up there. I've generally had good luck, because I ride FRAP on the way up, and time my descents so as to avoid the swarms. (That, and I descend about as fast as they can. ---3 of the 9 motorcycles I've passed were on Palomar.)
I must second Chris on this one. I haven't had problems with the crotch rockets so far. Last Sunday it was no different. Of course, I descended much later than you guys. And although I don't descend nearly as fast as Chris does, the only motorcycle that I've passed is documented.


By the way, how is your foot doing? I wanted to recommend you the comfrey tea (a.k.a. knit bone). I think it did help my collarbone to heal fairly well.
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By the way, how is your foot doing? I wanted to recommend you the comfrey tea (a.k.a. knit bone). I think it did help my collarbone to heal fairly well.
Danke schone tavareetch! Mien foot ist zeer slecht. I have two broken metatarsals. I swear I'm getting so good a diagnosing broken bones, I don't even need to bother with the radiation anymore. I told them when I walked in, "I'll be relieved if you tell me this is only a bad sprain, but I'm pretty sure I've got at least one broken metatarsal." And there were exactly two, exactly the ones I named.
I begged the dog to let me take home a boot, but he pretty much insisted on a cast. My lucky 13th broken bone, and my first stupid cast.
Thanks for the tip on the knit-bone tea. I'll definitely give it a whirl. I've already cut out all coffee, tea, and pop from my diet, and I've eaten at least half a fresh pineapple every morning since, (ate a whole one today.)
It's going to be a good experience. I've already been going to bed with a sore upper body every night(from crutching several miles a day), and getting plenty of sleep--might end up trading mien sissy-bicycles for a bunch of dumbells, horse-steroids, and governator movies, yah. (Ach.)


You guys ride safe out there. Them monster trucks'll do a number on your bones.

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Them monster trucks'll do a number on your bones.
I'm still confused about what happened. You were going in the opposite direction as the truck? So basically a left cross? Vehicles making u-turns are one of the hardest things to predict on a bike. Especially when they happen randomly away from intersections.
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