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CbadRider 11-14-13 08:30 PM

Interesting blog post from the SD County Bicycle Coalition
 
http://sandiegocountybicyclecoalitio...ith-north.html

They spoke with NCTD about their training of bus drivers after a cyclist was killed when hit by a bus while riding through Camp Pendleton.

TrojanHorse 11-14-13 09:30 PM

Is there any concern that training was the cause of the Pendleton accident? It seems like the driver was just flat out distracted or otherwise not paying attention.

Alternately, is there any concern that insufficient training is a cause of other bicycle-bus "interactions?"

Chaco 11-14-13 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TrojanHorse (Post 16247994)
Is there any concern that training was the cause of the Pendleton accident? It seems like the driver was just flat out distracted or otherwise not paying attention.

Alternately, is there any concern that insufficient training is a cause of other bicycle-bus "interactions?"

I saw the photos from the video system on the bus. It sure looked like there was no attempt whatsoever to avoid the cyclists. He just plowed right into them. Tragically, there are only 4 or 5 places on the entire Pendleton route where there is not a wide shoulder, and none of those sections is longer than a couple hundred yards. So waiting until it was safe to pass would have delayed him by about 2 seconds.

Bus drivers, especially the ones who drive double buses, need extra training. I have almost been killed by one who was making a right turn and didn't allow enough room. Fortunately, I was able to stop before she squeezed me out of the lane entirely, but it was apparent to me she had no idea where the back of the second section of the bus would end up as she went around the right turn.

CommuteCommando 11-15-13 09:59 AM

"(a) Mike commented that SD County Sheriffs aren’t supportive of the sharrows lane because they believe the markings conflict with Calif. Vehicle Code sections 21202 and 21208, which he said mandates bicyclists ride as “far to the right.” Nevertheless, NCTD drivers are told to surrender the lane to the bicyclists and wait to pass them."

The sheriff needs training in reading critically. It does not say "as far to the right as possible". It says "as far to the right as Practacable", which means practical and safe.

TrojanHorse 11-15-13 10:19 AM

And since when do Sheriffs gets to develop their own interpretation of the state vehicle code anyway?

"they believe the markings"

ahultin 11-15-13 03:05 PM

That whole line is crap given that most of the sharrows I encounter are on roads which would meet the 21202 section 3 Exception for a lane of insufficient width to safely be shared by car and bike.

Rumpled 11-16-13 12:06 AM

There was a cyclocross race last week at Lake Hodges renamed in Udo's honor.
There will be a memorial ride leaving from SPY this weekend, I think Sat morning.
I met him a few times racing against him. He will be missed, especially by his family.
All because of an ahole driver.

CommuteCommando 11-16-13 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ahultin (Post 16249975)
That whole line is crap given that most of the sharrows I encounter are on roads which would meet the 21202 section 3 Exception for a lane of insufficient width to safely be shared by car and bike.

This is absolutly true, and what I believe the beauty of the whole sharrow thing is. It is taking something that is already in the CVC, and applying clear signage to educate motorists and cyclists on the law in areas where it applies most, like Coast Higway in Leucadia, for example. So far, is isn't working all that well. It needs to be backed up now by PSA's that spell it out in plain language to the public.

GP 11-16-13 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rumpled (Post 16251062)
There will be a memorial ride leaving from SPY this weekend, I think Sat morning.

Good turnout, good route.

GP 11-16-13 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ahultin (Post 16249975)
That whole line is crap given that most of the sharrows I encounter are on roads which would meet the 21202 section 3 Exception for a lane of insufficient width to safely be shared by car and bike.

The problem with exception 3 is that it is open to interpretation.

ahultin 11-16-13 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GP (Post 16252481)
The problem with exception 3 is that it is open to interpretation.

Actually the beauty of it is that it is not. Federal Highway administration Guidelines as well as OSHA define it. A car requires 9 feet of width and a bike requires 5 feet of width (inclusive of the gutter area or 4 feet exclusive) . This will be further cemented once ab1371 is implemented (VC21750) requiring a 3ft min safe passing vs todays subject to interpretation "safe passing distance" (VC21760)
Source:
AASHTO Guide for the Development of Bicycle Facilities, 1991

Mitigation Strategies for Design Exceptions - July 2007

Rumpled 11-16-13 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by GP (Post 16252477)
Good turnout, good route.

Nice to hear.


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