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Good luck indeed.
A local weekly night ride just resumed this last week, so I've had a chance to catch up with doubles riders that kept riding while I took the year off. I'm jonesing for the new year so I can get out and ride one.
A local weekly night ride just resumed this last week, so I've had a chance to catch up with doubles riders that kept riding while I took the year off. I'm jonesing for the new year so I can get out and ride one.
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Bike Ride Profile | Double Century near Oceanside | Times and Records | Strava
~192 mi / 13300 ft
17:45
Hands down worst weather of all doubles I did or attempted. Weather gods were inventive and threw in everything at one time or another, alone or in combinations. 50 F or below most of the day, strong gusty winds, wet pavement, almost continuous rain for the last 40 miles. Even fog. (Fortunately, no ice or snow.) I need to wash the bike (hose it down, probably), the crank is creaking (dirt got into the bearings?), and all clothing layers are soaking wet. BTW, you can't climb in 20 mph wind on aero bars, the bike gets thrown around a lot by gusts of crosswind.
Managed it in 17:45 and there were close to 10 riders almost 2 hours behind me by the end. I got the impression that there were many no-shows (around 65-70 people signed up, not much more than 40 completed the course).
If this ride were held on any day in the previous month or the next week except 10/31, 11/1, and 11/2, the biggest complaint would have been that it gets a bit too hot in Borrego Springs ... but we just had to get a storm front here in full force on the exact day of the double.
P.S. 3469 kJ in the first 8:30, 2760 kJ in the remaining 9:15.
~192 mi / 13300 ft
17:45
Hands down worst weather of all doubles I did or attempted. Weather gods were inventive and threw in everything at one time or another, alone or in combinations. 50 F or below most of the day, strong gusty winds, wet pavement, almost continuous rain for the last 40 miles. Even fog. (Fortunately, no ice or snow.) I need to wash the bike (hose it down, probably), the crank is creaking (dirt got into the bearings?), and all clothing layers are soaking wet. BTW, you can't climb in 20 mph wind on aero bars, the bike gets thrown around a lot by gusts of crosswind.
Managed it in 17:45 and there were close to 10 riders almost 2 hours behind me by the end. I got the impression that there were many no-shows (around 65-70 people signed up, not much more than 40 completed the course).
If this ride were held on any day in the previous month or the next week except 10/31, 11/1, and 11/2, the biggest complaint would have been that it gets a bit too hot in Borrego Springs ... but we just had to get a storm front here in full force on the exact day of the double.
P.S. 3469 kJ in the first 8:30, 2760 kJ in the remaining 9:15.
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11-02-14, 03:17 PM
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Start 4:30 (but of course I dither too long getting dressed and assembling the bike, so I only roll out at 4:45.)
First miles are along the PCH, tail/crosswind, not too cold, no cars, well lit with street lights, pretty pleasant. Not raining but clear signs that a storm has passed through (wet pavement, palm leaves on the ground).
From the PCH I turn on Lomas Santa Fe toward Del Dios. I pass a bunch of people fixing a flat right after I-5. For some reason, instead of going straight through downtown RSF, the route makes a small detour, which wouldn't be a problem except it's still an hour before sunrise, the area is completely dark, and another bunch of riders (or maybe the same ones) get confused and stalled. I shoot past them and go on. Sunlight appears near Lake Hodges, I see a lot of blue sky ... maybe the weather won't be as bad as I thought? Remembering the lesson from Solvang, I make sure to work on flats, keeping average power above 125 W.
First rest stop is behind the gas station near I-15. I get bottles refilled and move on. At this point I'm basically 3 miles from home and the sun is up, so I call my wife and drop off the battery for the headlight to be recharged (just got a good 1200 lumen light, but it lasts something like 2.5 hrs on high and 6 hrs on low, and I already had it for 2 hrs on low).
On the climb on 78 towards Ramona it starts to rain. Fortunately, I'm prepared (to a degree). I brought a ziploc bag for the wallet and the electronics, another for the route sheet, and got a Specialized Deflect jacket on clearance for $60 a couple of days ago (this one, I think - Specialized Deflect Jacket | Bicycling Australia), turns out to be a good investment. It's around 55, some sunlight, and I'm in the middle of a climb so I decide to keep on without a jacket for now, just in a long sleeve triple crown jersey. It rains just enough to soak the jersey and muck up the bike and then stops.
By Santa Ysabel it's completely cloudy and cold enough for a jacket. Closer to Julian there's fog (clouds, really) and first signs of strong winds promised by the forecast. The town is busy (it's almost 11 AM), tourists are all packed in sweaters and warm hats and must be wondering about all those crazy cyclists darting through town in this ungodly weather.
The descent from Julian to the desert is not very fun, because of the conditions. I'm not a big fan of twisties with blind corners in general, but, when the road is wet, the air is below 50 (the cold is felt even in full finger gloves), and there are occasional bursts of crosswind kicking the bike sideways, I pretty much ride the brakes all the way down. Even in straighter and warmer sections near the bottom, I try to go on aero bars from time to time but give up after a particularly strong gust of wind tries to throw me off the bike or into the oncoming traffic lane. Between deep section wheels, aero frame, and a triangle bag acting as sort of a sail, my bike is not crosswind friendly (though this is the worst crosswind in my memory, and I rode Tour de Palm Springs twice). Route 78 is pretty busy on Saturdays with RVs and trucks hauling motocross bikes in both directions, so you have to watch out.
Lunch is in Borrego Springs, mile 103, and I get there around 12:30 PM. Just before lunch I get the first feel of what's to come. There is a short stretch (1.5 miles) that looks flat (maybe 1% grade) where the road goes due west. I averaged about 9 mph.
At lunch I eat a sandwich, some watermelon, get my first chance to get sunburned (up to this point it was pretty much 100% body coverage, from leg warmers to full finger gloves), and then it's time to try to get back. Lower third of Montezuma isn't too bad because it's shaded from the wind. Then it gets increasingly exposed, temperature drops and wind picks up. The complete climb, which I did exactly one year ago (under normal conditions and with fresh legs) in 1:28, took me 2:20. Up top in Ranchita it's stiff wind firmly in the face, 45 F and cloudy. Volunteers at the rest stop had hot soup. It felt great... One of the volunteers said that he counted 21 people coming through before me.
Headwind remained at full nastiness till about mile 130, then it got somewhat shaded by the trees. Dropped down the bottom half of Palomar in the last rays of sun. In Pauma Valley, just before the turn to Cole Grade, it started pouring. Argh. Cole Grade is always a slog, triply so when it's in the rain, in the dark, and at mile 155. Somehow made it (spinning at 55 rpm is a useful skill for a LD cyclist) and then it was mostly flat or downhill to the finish. It rained most of the way. Lilac Road is surreal in deep dark and rain. No street lights, no cars ... nothing and no one. Just vaguely lit houses somewhere in the distance. At mile 178 I get back on 76 in Bonsall (but now it's a busy freeway-like road). 6 miles along the shoulder, observing streams of rain droplets flying in parabolas off the front wheel in the light cone of the headlight. In retrospect, it probably wasn't raining any more, but the road was still wet for some reason. At mile 184 it's a turnoff on the bike trail, there it was clearly not raining and even the asphalt looked somewhat dry.
Finished at 10:30, ate a homemade tamale, changed into street clothes, drove back along the course. There were still two groups of riders just getting off Lilac onto 76 (~11:30 pm) but the final rest stop, which had been at the intersection, had already packed and left. I directed one of the groups down 76, called organizers about the missing rest stop, but in the end I think I just caused more confusion for everyone.
All in all, a pretty good though challenging way to spend a very long day.
First miles are along the PCH, tail/crosswind, not too cold, no cars, well lit with street lights, pretty pleasant. Not raining but clear signs that a storm has passed through (wet pavement, palm leaves on the ground).
From the PCH I turn on Lomas Santa Fe toward Del Dios. I pass a bunch of people fixing a flat right after I-5. For some reason, instead of going straight through downtown RSF, the route makes a small detour, which wouldn't be a problem except it's still an hour before sunrise, the area is completely dark, and another bunch of riders (or maybe the same ones) get confused and stalled. I shoot past them and go on. Sunlight appears near Lake Hodges, I see a lot of blue sky ... maybe the weather won't be as bad as I thought? Remembering the lesson from Solvang, I make sure to work on flats, keeping average power above 125 W.
First rest stop is behind the gas station near I-15. I get bottles refilled and move on. At this point I'm basically 3 miles from home and the sun is up, so I call my wife and drop off the battery for the headlight to be recharged (just got a good 1200 lumen light, but it lasts something like 2.5 hrs on high and 6 hrs on low, and I already had it for 2 hrs on low).
On the climb on 78 towards Ramona it starts to rain. Fortunately, I'm prepared (to a degree). I brought a ziploc bag for the wallet and the electronics, another for the route sheet, and got a Specialized Deflect jacket on clearance for $60 a couple of days ago (this one, I think - Specialized Deflect Jacket | Bicycling Australia), turns out to be a good investment. It's around 55, some sunlight, and I'm in the middle of a climb so I decide to keep on without a jacket for now, just in a long sleeve triple crown jersey. It rains just enough to soak the jersey and muck up the bike and then stops.
By Santa Ysabel it's completely cloudy and cold enough for a jacket. Closer to Julian there's fog (clouds, really) and first signs of strong winds promised by the forecast. The town is busy (it's almost 11 AM), tourists are all packed in sweaters and warm hats and must be wondering about all those crazy cyclists darting through town in this ungodly weather.
The descent from Julian to the desert is not very fun, because of the conditions. I'm not a big fan of twisties with blind corners in general, but, when the road is wet, the air is below 50 (the cold is felt even in full finger gloves), and there are occasional bursts of crosswind kicking the bike sideways, I pretty much ride the brakes all the way down. Even in straighter and warmer sections near the bottom, I try to go on aero bars from time to time but give up after a particularly strong gust of wind tries to throw me off the bike or into the oncoming traffic lane. Between deep section wheels, aero frame, and a triangle bag acting as sort of a sail, my bike is not crosswind friendly (though this is the worst crosswind in my memory, and I rode Tour de Palm Springs twice). Route 78 is pretty busy on Saturdays with RVs and trucks hauling motocross bikes in both directions, so you have to watch out.
Lunch is in Borrego Springs, mile 103, and I get there around 12:30 PM. Just before lunch I get the first feel of what's to come. There is a short stretch (1.5 miles) that looks flat (maybe 1% grade) where the road goes due west. I averaged about 9 mph.
At lunch I eat a sandwich, some watermelon, get my first chance to get sunburned (up to this point it was pretty much 100% body coverage, from leg warmers to full finger gloves), and then it's time to try to get back. Lower third of Montezuma isn't too bad because it's shaded from the wind. Then it gets increasingly exposed, temperature drops and wind picks up. The complete climb, which I did exactly one year ago (under normal conditions and with fresh legs) in 1:28, took me 2:20. Up top in Ranchita it's stiff wind firmly in the face, 45 F and cloudy. Volunteers at the rest stop had hot soup. It felt great... One of the volunteers said that he counted 21 people coming through before me.
Headwind remained at full nastiness till about mile 130, then it got somewhat shaded by the trees. Dropped down the bottom half of Palomar in the last rays of sun. In Pauma Valley, just before the turn to Cole Grade, it started pouring. Argh. Cole Grade is always a slog, triply so when it's in the rain, in the dark, and at mile 155. Somehow made it (spinning at 55 rpm is a useful skill for a LD cyclist) and then it was mostly flat or downhill to the finish. It rained most of the way. Lilac Road is surreal in deep dark and rain. No street lights, no cars ... nothing and no one. Just vaguely lit houses somewhere in the distance. At mile 178 I get back on 76 in Bonsall (but now it's a busy freeway-like road). 6 miles along the shoulder, observing streams of rain droplets flying in parabolas off the front wheel in the light cone of the headlight. In retrospect, it probably wasn't raining any more, but the road was still wet for some reason. At mile 184 it's a turnoff on the bike trail, there it was clearly not raining and even the asphalt looked somewhat dry.
Finished at 10:30, ate a homemade tamale, changed into street clothes, drove back along the course. There were still two groups of riders just getting off Lilac onto 76 (~11:30 pm) but the final rest stop, which had been at the intersection, had already packed and left. I directed one of the groups down 76, called organizers about the missing rest stop, but in the end I think I just caused more confusion for everyone.
All in all, a pretty good though challenging way to spend a very long day.
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11-03-14, 04:22 PM
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Great (well written and very detailed) report hamster,
It totally reinforces my decision not to ride that double! I told Anny I was a bit burned out after Knoxville and Bass Lake (which was true), but was still considering Oceanside for awhile.
I've suffered through rain, cold and wind before; just happy not to do it last weekend!
Rick / OCRR
It totally reinforces my decision not to ride that double! I told Anny I was a bit burned out after Knoxville and Bass Lake (which was true), but was still considering Oceanside for awhile.
I've suffered through rain, cold and wind before; just happy not to do it last weekend!
Rick / OCRR
11-04-14, 01:29 AM
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Earlier this week I used the "contact us" link on adventurecorps.com to ask if/when the Fall Double would be decided, because the website still said "maybe." No response back, however just checked the website and it has finally been updated ... F'14 finally changed to "Returning October, 2015" and S'15 to "Returning February or March, 2015".
Website has been updated to say S'15 or S'16. Super bummer, and I guess I may need to give up on the idea of a sub-10h double ... though maybe I'll need to think about Hemet.
11-05-14, 07:19 PM
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Were you at Death Valley? Sadly I haven't ridden it since ... and only rode it ~60mi before that (got a bunch of Strava KOMs in those 60 though).
But willie is a fixture on the SoCal double and rando scene. He rides a yellow velomobile (three wheels) and is able to tear it up without as much worry about tipping over.
But willie is a fixture on the SoCal double and rando scene. He rides a yellow velomobile (three wheels) and is able to tear it up without as much worry about tipping over.
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11-08-14, 08:59 PM
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Were you at Death Valley? Sadly I haven't ridden it since ... and only rode it ~60mi before that (got a bunch of Strava KOMs in those 60 though).
But willie is a fixture on the SoCal double and rando scene. He rides a yellow velomobile (three wheels) and is able to tear it up without as much worry about tipping over.
But willie is a fixture on the SoCal double and rando scene. He rides a yellow velomobile (three wheels) and is able to tear it up without as much worry about tipping over.
11-12-14, 01:01 AM
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12-03-14, 02:01 PM
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I'll be riding the Dead of Winter Double on Saturday 12/6/14. Anyone else from SoCal bikeforums going to be there?
There's a day two ride, same course, but on Sunday in addition to Saturday. I'm ony riding Saturday's!
Rick / OCRR
There's a day two ride, same course, but on Sunday in addition to Saturday. I'm ony riding Saturday's!
Rick / OCRR
12-03-14, 02:26 PM
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Have fun Rick it should be cool. By the way the 2015 calendar is out but the website is not update to date yet. I am thinking about riding:
-Camino Real
-Alta Alpina
-Mulholland Double (if not just the century)
-Southern Inyo Double (if it is put on again)
-Death Valley Fall Double
-Bass Lake Double
-Grand Tour Highland Double (maybe)
-Joshua Tree Double (maybe)
-Camino Real
-Alta Alpina
-Mulholland Double (if not just the century)
-Southern Inyo Double (if it is put on again)
-Death Valley Fall Double
-Bass Lake Double
-Grand Tour Highland Double (maybe)
-Joshua Tree Double (maybe)
12-03-14, 03:08 PM
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Yes Lesper4, It should be cool but thankfully not cold. Here's what I got this morning:
Sat. Dec. 06/14 Temps.
Malibu – 56 / 71
Simi Valley - 53 / 72
Moorpark – 50 / 71
Santa Paula- 51 / 72
Ojai – 48 / 73
Chance of rain in all those locations is 0%!
Lots of riding in the dark, obviously, but not as bad as the Hemet staff ride I did on Dec. 13th, 2006, which was 8 hours riding in the dark. The first 1/2 of DOWD is on the Grand Tour Lowland course (which I haven't ridden in 11 years!) while the 2nd half will be the very familiar (to me) Highland course.
Should be fun!
Next year is a huge question mark for me. I might take a break and not ride any doubles in 2015. Haven't decided for sure yet. DOWD will be double #7 for 2014 for me.
Rick / OCRR
Sat. Dec. 06/14 Temps.
Malibu – 56 / 71
Simi Valley - 53 / 72
Moorpark – 50 / 71
Santa Paula- 51 / 72
Ojai – 48 / 73
Chance of rain in all those locations is 0%!
Lots of riding in the dark, obviously, but not as bad as the Hemet staff ride I did on Dec. 13th, 2006, which was 8 hours riding in the dark. The first 1/2 of DOWD is on the Grand Tour Lowland course (which I haven't ridden in 11 years!) while the 2nd half will be the very familiar (to me) Highland course.
Should be fun!
Next year is a huge question mark for me. I might take a break and not ride any doubles in 2015. Haven't decided for sure yet. DOWD will be double #7 for 2014 for me.
Rick / OCRR
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12-03-14, 04:17 PM
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I would think if you stat early you would finish in the daylight or close to it? What are your Total double tallies?
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Lots of riding in the dark, obviously, but not as bad as the Hemet staff ride I did on Dec. 13th, 2006, which was 8 hours riding in the dark. The first 1/2 of DOWD is on the Grand Tour Lowland course (which I haven't ridden in 11 years!) while the 2nd half will be the very familiar (to me) Highland course.
Should be fun!
Should be fun!
I'd rather not spend any money on a hotel (it's only a 2 hour drive from here to the start/finish line), but, if I'm to get some sleep at home and drive there in the wee hours of the morning, I don't think I'll be able to start much earlier than 6:00. The course looks easy (RWGPS says 8200' of climbing, but that includes 2800' of rollers on the PCH. The really climby part, mile 40 to mile 145, is only ~5400'.) I'd expect to be done under 15 hours. But I see in the discussion in LD subforum that there are groups starting at 4:30 and even 3:30. (Organizers themselves give no suggestions on when to start. Quote: "Riders may start any time Sunday morning.") I'd hate to be the last one on the course.
12-03-14, 09:36 PM
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@hamster and @Rick@OCRR
Regarding the DOW, I am starting at 4:30am. There will be around 10 of us from the Ventura-Valley Adobo Velo chapter. There is also a 3:30am start time, so you could start as early as 3:30am.
There is a chance the route will be changed because of the PCH closure (mudslide). However if the route remains intact, the first rest stop will not open until 6:30am. I believe it is at the 35 mile mark. The rest stops/check points seem to be open at hours that make the most sense for a 4:30am start time.
If the route is changed (which they will try not to do, and I just saw on the news that CalTrans thinks the PCH might be open again tomorrow), it will go up and over the Santa Monica Mountains at the beginning and end, but skip Casitas Pass and I think Grimes Cyn (not sure about Grimes). The morning would route us up Latigo Canyon and in the evening we'd be taking Cornell to the Rock Store climb and descending Kanan Dume road. That's a lot of descending in the dark with road debris. By my calculation, the plan B substitute route is around 11,000 ft climbing.
This will be my first double century, so I'm sure you guys will blow past me.
Regarding the DOW, I am starting at 4:30am. There will be around 10 of us from the Ventura-Valley Adobo Velo chapter. There is also a 3:30am start time, so you could start as early as 3:30am.
There is a chance the route will be changed because of the PCH closure (mudslide). However if the route remains intact, the first rest stop will not open until 6:30am. I believe it is at the 35 mile mark. The rest stops/check points seem to be open at hours that make the most sense for a 4:30am start time.
If the route is changed (which they will try not to do, and I just saw on the news that CalTrans thinks the PCH might be open again tomorrow), it will go up and over the Santa Monica Mountains at the beginning and end, but skip Casitas Pass and I think Grimes Cyn (not sure about Grimes). The morning would route us up Latigo Canyon and in the evening we'd be taking Cornell to the Rock Store climb and descending Kanan Dume road. That's a lot of descending in the dark with road debris. By my calculation, the plan B substitute route is around 11,000 ft climbing.
This will be my first double century, so I'm sure you guys will blow past me.
12-03-14, 10:23 PM
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A detour over Santa Monicas would be very unfortunate (though I suspect that whoever told you about the return route via the rock store is pulling your leg. One does not simply put Rock Store at mile 185(?) of what's supposed to be a flattish double with barely a forewarning. Especially if it's possible to do Cornell->Las Virgenes.) But I also see that PCH "may" be reopened tomorrow, so that would be moot.
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My instructions say that check-in is at 4:30, but it does not follow that the start is at 4:30. I'll email them and get this clarified.
A detour over Santa Monicas would be very unfortunate (though I suspect that whoever told you about the return route via the rock store is pulling your leg. One does not simply put Rock Store at mile 185(?) of what's supposed to be a flattish double with barely a forewarning. Especially if it's possible to do Cornell->Las Virgenes.) But I also see that PCH "may" be reopened tomorrow, so that would be moot.
A detour over Santa Monicas would be very unfortunate (though I suspect that whoever told you about the return route via the rock store is pulling your leg. One does not simply put Rock Store at mile 185(?) of what's supposed to be a flattish double with barely a forewarning. Especially if it's possible to do Cornell->Las Virgenes.) But I also see that PCH "may" be reopened tomorrow, so that would be moot.
You will get much better response by calling Kermit vs emailing him, he prefers phone calls and will be happy to chat with you about start times, etc. The rules are purposely loose on this ride, that's how he wants it to be. His biggest concern is knowing where you are on the route and that youre ok. If you start at 6am and miss a bunch of check points because they're closed when you get there, he may worry about you on the course.
I have a Ride with GPS route put together by a very detail oriented friend. It is based on previous year's DOW rides. It lists times for the check points. I cant 100% say the times would be the same this year, but if you want a link to that route, PM me and I'll send it to you. The friend who put it together is actually riding on Sunday, he is an Adobo Velo member but not one of the "slow ones" that you referred to in my other thread.
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12-04-14, 03:12 AM
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Got the reply, they are saying that they expect most riders to start at 4:30. Guess I'll try to get up at 2 on Sunday.
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Lesper4[/B];17359809]I would think if you start early you would finish in the daylight or close to it? What are your Total double tallies?
I'm not that fast! And this time of year there is so little light . . . I plan to start at 4:30 AM or as close to that as possible; projected finish about 7:30 or 8:00 PM. The one variable I don't have a feeling for is how much faster the first half will be without Potrero, Grimes, Dennison, etc. So I could be wrong (hopefully I am wrong)!
Not sure what you mean by Total Double Tallies but if it's just number of CAL Triple Crown doubles . . . D.O.W.D. will be #67 .
If you're talking times, I really don't have the data but a "normal" double, seems to be about 15 hours. Devil Mountain was my slowest at 22 hr. 45 min.; I do remember that one!
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12-04-14, 09:07 AM
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Sorry @hamster, this possible route change is straight from the horse's mouth, in that I talked in detail to Kermit, the guy from LA Wheelmen who is in charge of the ride.
Thanks for the note on the DOWD thread in the Long Distance Forum; will check it out.
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Very True Heathpack, Kermit is "The Man" for this Double (and Grand Tour). My wife and I have known him for a lot of years and he's definitely a "Get It Done" kind of guy, even if he may have to do a last minute route change (or some other last minute change). I may phone him this afternoon (or Fri. morning) to get the update on the route.
Thanks for the note on the DOWD thread in the Long Distance Forum; will check it out.
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Thanks for the note on the DOWD thread in the Long Distance Forum; will check it out.
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I was just referring to total doubles in your career?
No Lesper4,
I'm not that fast! And this time of year there is so little light . . . I plan to start at 4:30 AM or as close to that as possible; projected finish about 7:30 or 8:00 PM. The one variable I don't have a feeling for is how much faster the first half will be without Potrero, Grimes, Dennison, etc. So I could be wrong (hopefully I am wrong)!
Not sure what you mean by Total Double Tallies but if it's just number of CAL Triple Crown doubles . . . D.O.W.D. will be #67 .
If you're talking times, I really don't have the data but a "normal" double, seems to be about 15 hours. Devil Mountain was my slowest at 22 hr. 45 min.; I do remember that one!
Rick / OCRR
I'm not that fast! And this time of year there is so little light . . . I plan to start at 4:30 AM or as close to that as possible; projected finish about 7:30 or 8:00 PM. The one variable I don't have a feeling for is how much faster the first half will be without Potrero, Grimes, Dennison, etc. So I could be wrong (hopefully I am wrong)!
Not sure what you mean by Total Double Tallies but if it's just number of CAL Triple Crown doubles . . . D.O.W.D. will be #67 .
If you're talking times, I really don't have the data but a "normal" double, seems to be about 15 hours. Devil Mountain was my slowest at 22 hr. 45 min.; I do remember that one!
Rick / OCRR