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    This just sucks!!!

    I just read on my FB feed that a local rider flatted today and had problems with his CO2 inflator. He see two guys in team kits heading up the climb. Upon asking for some air (he noticed that one had a mini-pump on his frame), he's answered with, "I'm on a long Strava segment" as the two guys ride off leaving him stranded. What the heck?! It's good the guy with the flat wasn't sitting there with a bleeding head injury or a heart attack. Strava aside, I can see some selfish idiots claiming they're on a training interval or some other worthless task. This world sucks if this is where we're headed. BTW, I use Strava but I'm always willing to stop and help or just talk to people.

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    lame and lame on both ends. this is why i don't bother w/co2
    get a frame pump and be self-sufficient.

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    Sure that does seem a little lame, but I don't think it's something to get all riled up about. It's not other cyclists obligation to help everybody who has a flat, and for all we know those guys have stopped to help more people than you have. To them, the strava segment was important, and to your buddy/local rider not bringing a pump was important (apparently).

    Also, I'm sure the guys would have stopped if he was injured. It's pretty silly to imply otherwise. Strava is serious business, but it's not THAT serious.

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    Strava?

    All I can say is... I would have given you some air...

    I used to ride areas that had very little traffic so if I carried a CO2 pump I also had to carry multiple cartridges - I recommend the Lazine mini pump and don't use CO2...
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    but.... team kit.

    Seriously, CO2 is great but you (the collective you) need a backup. Lezyne road drives are barely noticeable on the frame.

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    Good points. I myself now carry a mini pump as back up for the CO2. What bugs me is that the guy directly asked for help, he wasn't sitting there passively.

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    I would've given air as well but only in exchange for a lead out on the next strava segment

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    I would have helped as others have helped me but I carry the same layzne pump, two co2, two tubes and a patch kit so I try to stay self sufficient.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmX View Post
    Sure that does seem a little lame, but I don't think it's something to get all riled up about. It's not other cyclists obligation to help everybody who has a flat, and for all we know those guys have stopped to help more people than you have. To them, the strava segment was important, and to your buddy/local rider not bringing a pump was important (apparently).

    Also, I'm sure the guys would have stopped if he was injured. It's pretty silly to imply otherwise. Strava is serious business, but it's not THAT serious.

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    Would they have stopped if he was injured? Maybe, maybe not. I say this because a cyclist suffered a heart attack while climbing Imperial Hwy in Orange County a few months back. Two other riders stopped to help and administered CPR which later was credited with saving him. They reported that several cars and other cyclists passed by him without stopping to help before they did.

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    After some time on Strava having fun chasing goals I had to remind myself to always put safety and helping people in front of my own time goals. It was a phase.

    That said, the ridiculous "heart attack" or "bleeding head" hyperbole doesn't do anything to help your point. Strava people aren't sociopathic lunatics.

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    It does suck, but not as much as expecting everyone else to solve problems you created by being too cheap, lazy or weight-wienie to carry a pump, and then b-wording about them on the internet. I've stopped to help people when shooting for a sub-5 century, and given away nearly half a dozen tubes, but it sounds like this guy should own his own mistakes.
    IMO this is less of a problem than Stravastuds' tendency to ignore stoplights, because I'm seeing more of that. Seen a few who don't even stop pedaling--not cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeme View Post
    Would they have stopped if he was injured? Maybe, maybe not. I say this because a cyclist suffered a heart attack while climbing Imperial Hwy in Orange County a few months back. Two other riders stopped to help and administered CPR which later was credited with saving him. They reported that several cars and other cyclists passed by him without stopping to help before they did.
    Need more data before we jump to cynical conclusions in this case. Maybe the road was narrow, and stopping to help would only have created an unsafe situation? I've seen accident scenes where EVERYONE stops, blocking the road, and nearly creating more accidents. Maybe the riders who passed were on the other side of a busy, multilane road? Visibility?

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    Quote Originally Posted by calamarichris View Post
    It does suck, but not as much as expecting everyone else to solve problems you created by being too cheap, lazy or weight-wienie to carry a pump, and then b-wording about them on the internet. I've stopped to help people when shooting for a sub-5 century, and given away nearly half a dozen tubes, but it sounds like this guy should own his own mistakes.
    IMO this is less of a problem than Stravastuds' tendency to ignore stoplights, because I'm seeing more of that. Seen a few who don't even stop pedaling--not cool.
    Exactly.

    How many times do you think this happens when you're out on training rides? A lot.
    Just because someone puts in a lot of miles doesn't oblige them to be the air caddy for people that don't have it.

    Your buddy doesn't have air, so the world has to stop until his day is back on track? People suck because they won't stop their lives for him?
    Life is so unfair. I'm gonna go tell this story to my cat, and we can cry it out together.

    Sometimes people will stop and give air, sometimes they won't. That's not a reflection on their character as a human being.
    At worst your buddy is inconvenienced. You don't get sympathy for that. I'm inconvenienced every day in traffic.

    Actual distress, or physical injury are different stories. And if you're female, you don't need to carry anything.
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    The other thing is there are so many cyclists around here that you pass a lot of riders pulled over with a mechanical issue or flat tire. On the weekend I'll usually pass several people futzing with their bikes. It's just not practical for me to help most of them...And I am the self sufficient type myself carrying two tubes, two CO2's and a mini-pump. I gave away a C02 cartridge last year to someone who flagged me down. He didn't offer to pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    I gave away a C02 cartridge last year to someone who flagged me down. He didn't offer to pay for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesper4 View Post
    ...try to stay self sufficient.
    I think this is especially true when your riding on your own on isolated roads - Last year I had the pleasure of doing a 22 mile park ride in perfect conditions without engaging a single car - It was kind of spooky...

    I think all in all we bicyclists have been a pretty decent crew...

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    It wasn't that he didn't bring a way to repair his flat, his inflator failed. So if he had a pump and it failed would your answers be the same? Not saying that you should always stop but it isn't that he was unprepared.



    And you're right girls don't need to carry anything cause we would all stop even if she's on the other side of a busy roadway!
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    If the guy could offer an excuse while riding along, then he obviously wasn't putting forth enough effort on his Strava segment.

    That's the lamest part of the whole story. Being that Strava is lame in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blarnie View Post
    That's the lamest part of the whole story. Being that Strava is lame in the first place.
    What if I'm in the middle of an interval, is that an acceptable excuse?

    And no, if his inflator and pump failed at the same time that's different because at least he came prepared. And did this guy know how to use his C02 inflator? Because some people don't bother to learn and screw up when they need to use it on the side of the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJClay View Post
    It wasn't that he didn't bring a way to repair his flat, his inflator failed. So if he had a pump and it failed would your answers be the same? Not saying that you should always stop but it isn't that he was unprepared.
    Being insufficiently prepared is the same as being unprepared. CO2 inflators are a lot more lightweight and compact than they are sufficient & reliable. My answer remains the same: I would stop, even if the girl or guy had a 15-year-old CO2 valve that didn't work. But I still believe this particular guy is dead-wrong for expecting everyone else to solve the problems he created for himself, and even moreso for the accusatory cynicism toward complete strangers. We live in one of the most dense population centers in the world, and it's reasonable to assume there will always be another rider along soon enough. How did this whiner finally get home anyway? Walk? Taxi? If he or she got help from someone else, shame on him or her for mentioning only the negative part of his little spontaneous social experiment.
    Admittedly, there might be other mitigating circumstances, but based on the information given... I prescribe spend more time filling your seatbag with the necessaries and less time tchibing on the internet about other riders being selfish.

    And shame on anyone shallow enough to stop & help a woman, but not a fellow man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by calamarichris View Post
    And shame on anyone shallow enough to stop & help a woman, but not a fellow man.
    Are we talking about a really hot guy or just average?

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    I'd help you anytime, handsssome.

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    I stopped to loan a someone my pump up in Malibu hills one day - we rode the next mile or two and then I flatted out. The other rider didn't stop or even look back - just rode off into the hills. I thought that was odd. I did have about 6 other bikers roll by and ask if I was ok. Overall I think the bike community is a good bunch of people
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    Quote Originally Posted by calamarichris View Post
    Admittedly, there might be other mitigating circumstances, but based on the information given... I prescribe spend more time filling your seatbag with the necessaries and less time tchibing on the internet about other riders being selfish.

    And shame on anyone shallow enough to stop & help a woman, but not a fellow man.
    Agree with the first part but reality check on the second.
    Women get more help, period. That's just a fact of life, and it should be that way.
    Not for my sake, but for hers.

    Men are supposed to be weaned off the whiner teet and have the ability to fend for themselves.
    Walking is such a tragedy?

    I think Strava "racing" is ******** but that's a good excuse the next time some Mary forgets their big boy pants and starts crying from the curb.

    Seriously, though
    If anyone flags me down, of course I'll stop for anyone that asks. I'll help anyone patch a tube, borrow my pump or be some company while they change out. Why not? It's all part of the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimxyz View Post
    I stopped to loan a someone my pump up in Malibu hills one day - we rode the next mile or two and then I flatted out. The other rider didn't stop or even look back - just rode off into the hills. I thought that was odd. I did have about 6 other bikers roll by and ask if I was ok. Overall I think the bike community is a good bunch of people
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