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    Quote Originally Posted by hamster View Post
    It's sorta like this for me too. I ate about 1200 yesterday evening and I'm already up to 1000 today (I'd normally be at 400-500 by this time of day). And that's being reasonably restrained and without any junk food in the house. But, since my total for yesterday was something like 2500 in / 3200 out, even going above target today still means good progress on average.

    I can't really tell the difference in taste between tap water and bottle water. As far as I know, tap water quality standards are basically the same if not more stringent than bottled water standards. And if they want to bring bottle water, they could at least get half-gallon or gallon bottles, this way they don't end up with so much trash.
    I know you said you were dieting but man! Good luck, it'll be interesting to hear if you notice much of a difference when climbing.

    I can immediately tell if I'm drinking tap water. I don't much like bottled water most of the time either - it's over priced and I hate dealing with the recycling. I find it amusing that dasani / aquafina cost more than the equivalent amount of coke or pepsi... so they sell you the filtered water without the cola syrup and it's more. Go figure. Personally, I have a reverse osmosis filter at home that delivers awesome tasting water.

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    I did the 100 (104?) mile and thought the course was well marked with large arrow signs, very easy to follow. Didn't download it into my Garmin, but didn't get lost.

    Also didn't mind the bottled water; tastes fine to me! I started with a bottle of Perpetuem but switched to their water when that ran out. I had a fine ride, really, except for my little "hit the deck" moment in a pace-line crash about mile 62.

    I had just told myself, "Get out of this pace-line, it seems really un-even, not safe." when someone in front of me hit the brakes hard and I went down. Ouch! One guy stopped to make sure I was okay, lots of blood and skin loss but no broken bones, so no worries. Stopped at the first aid tent at the next rest stop and the medics there cleaned me up, hydrogen peroxide the wounds, then Neosporin, gauze pad, wrapped it up and good to go!

    I rode slow for a bit until I felt everything was operating correctly, then back up to speed. Finished with 6:15 bike time and 16.7 ave. moving speed. Bandages are a real conversation starter in the peloton!

    Here are the Garmin details: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/443011443

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    Geez Rick, glad you're alright. I was in a group right behind a guy on a Giant Defy for a while.... he had a sort of jersey on, a mountain bike helmet and what looked like regular shorts and I couldn't help thinking I should be somewhere else.

    You're quite an iron man - 6 total minutes in breaks, and that was for bandages? Nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamster View Post
    It's sorta like this for me too. I ate about 1200 yesterday evening and I'm already up to 1000 today (I'd normally be at 400-500 by this time of day). And that's being reasonably restrained and without any junk food in the house. But, since my total for yesterday was something like 2500 in / 3200 out, even going above target today still means good progress on average.
    I'd throw the diet out the window during a century (and fuel up well the day before.) Even if you don't bonk I hate that lethargic feeling on the bike because I didn't eat enough. With your base metabolic rate you probably burned over 5000 calories for the day so you could eat plenty without going into calorie surplus.

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    More on the woman who was killed: http://www.mydesert.com/article/2014...e-Palm-Springs

    About 12:10 p.m., La Vonne Koester was riding west on Avenue 60 in Thermal when she crossed Harrison Street in front of a southbound 1999 Dodge, according to the California Highway Patrol.

    I hope that some good changes are made, and not anything negative like canceling the event. Very sad in any case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    More on the woman who was killed: http://www.mydesert.com/article/2014...e-Palm-Springs

    About 12:10 p.m., La Vonne Koester was riding west on Avenue 60 in Thermal when she crossed Harrison Street in front of a southbound 1999 Dodge, according to the California Highway Patrol.

    I hope that some good changes are made, and not anything negative like canceling the event. Very sad in any case.
    I came upon the scene when they were moving her into the ambulance, she was intubated, a paramedic was on the gurney performing chest compressions. Seeing the bike and the general situation, I could tell this was likely a fatal accident. Really a bit unnerving, this was my first century and only me second organized bike event.

    The intersection was a little confusing. It looked like a 4-way stop but only Ave 60 (the cyclists street) had the stop sign. If there is anything to be done, it would seem to me that a flashing red light on Ave 60 would be the solution. I'm sure the event itself contributed a little to the confusion with all the bikes on the road. But the intersection itself is unsafe IMO. I'll bet there are a lot of accidents there of all kinds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    You're quite an iron man - 6 total minutes in breaks, and that was for bandages? Nice.
    Ah no TrojanHorse, not really.

    The difference between the elapsed time and the moving time is an hour and 15 minutes. I spent quite awhile at the rest stop after the crash (20 min. at least) and then another 20 min. or more at the First Aid tent after the finish.

    The medics at the first place I stopped advised me to see the folks at the First Aid tent after the finish; so I did. They put on fresh bandages and cleaned the wounds a bit more.

    The question now is: Will I be healed enough to ride the Camino Real double next weekend? We will see . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunbar View Post
    I'd throw the diet out the window during a century (and fuel up well the day before.) Even if you don't bonk I hate that lethargic feeling on the bike because I didn't eat enough. With your base metabolic rate you probably burned over 5000 calories for the day so you could eat plenty without going into calorie surplus.
    I've been doing about one century a month, and I just eat normally after the ride. Eat well the night before, have a normal breakfast, then start eating consistent calories (including some protein) after mile 30 or so. Too many people undereat, eat the wrong things, then are famished at the end. Even more reward themselves with food after the ride.
    judging from what you post on here it seems having a powermeter has caused you to focus on ewang numbers without much a focus on developing actual fitness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathpack View Post
    I came upon the scene when they were moving her into the ambulance, she was intubated, a paramedic was on the gurney performing chest compressions. Seeing the bike and the general situation, I could tell this was likely a fatal accident. Really a bit unnerving, this was my first century and only me second organized bike event.
    If it's any consolation, they say that it's the first fatality in 16 years the event was held. And I think it's the biggest event is Southern California.

    Though this looked like an unusually crash-prone day. I saw one guy fall off the bike before the ride even started, on the way to the starting line, there was an ambulance on Dillon (I think they were taking someone away), and there was a pileup right in front of me, I think it was just past the light at Ave 52 and Jackson. Not sure if it was Rick or someone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick@OCRR View Post
    The difference between the elapsed time and the moving time is an hour and 15 minutes.
    Hm, your garmin file shows 6 min. of difference. You must be a time traveler. And by the way. 46.7 mph for a skinny non-physics-aided chap like yourself - bravo! I think I topped out at 45 this year but I had a compact crank on. Last year I had a mid and squeaked out another mph or two, although it's unlikely I was actually pedaling anywhere near 45.

    Say, as a totally unrelated and off topic question, I noticed this from the planet ultra page: This means a white headlight that can be seen from 300 feet and a red taillight (non-blinking) secured to the bicycle and visible from 500 feet; and riders must wear both a left and right reflective ankle band. The more reflective gear and additional lights, the better! Be visible! This is mandatory – and NOT NEGOTIABLE.

    Non blinking tail light? Reflective ankle straps? Do you guys do that stuff or is that just CYA by planet ultra?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hamster View Post
    If it's any consolation, they say that it's the first fatality in 16 years the event was held. And I think it's the biggest event is Southern California.

    Though this looked like an unusually crash-prone day. I saw one guy fall off the bike before the ride even started, on the way to the starting line, there was an ambulance on Dillon (I think they were taking someone away), and there was a pileup right in front of me, I think it was just past the light at Ave 52 and Jackson. Not sure if it was Rick or someone else.
    The fatality was the second ambulance I saw that day. There was a lady down between the 30 & 35 mile marks, I'd say- maybe that was Dillon, the road with the rolling hills? She was sitting up though, with her arm in a sling and her bike still looked like a bike. A broken collarbone perhaps. There was an ambulance and fire truck there.

    It was my first century, so I thought all the ambulances were par for the course.

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    TrojanHorse: Non blinking tail light? Reflective ankle straps? Do you guys do that stuff or is that just CYA by planet ultra?
    We do it for Planet Ultra rides and I do it for commuting to work at 5:15 AM. Planet Ultra checks everyone before the start.

    It's CA law too, as I understand it, plus it just makes sense.

    TrojanHorse: And by the way. 46.7 mph for a skinny non-physics-aided chap like yourself - bravo!
    I was in an aero tuck. Good to see it worked!

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    Thanks for clarifying Rick and no, I don't disagree that it makes sense... but blinking vs non blinking seems like an odd stipulation.

    For those of you that noticed the ambulance on Dillon - apparently one of the ladies that rides on the Unlikely Cyclist team was knocked down by a jackhat who clipped her as he rode by (if you go to the clyde forum you can see the post ride thread, BeachGrad05 posted some updates on her friend).

    I guess people are dingbats whether they're on bikes or driving cars. Ride safely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    Say, as a totally unrelated and off topic question, I noticed this from the planet ultra page: This means a white headlight that can be seen from 300 feet and a red taillight (non-blinking) secured to the bicycle and visible from 500 feet; and riders must wear both a left and right reflective ankle band. The more reflective gear and additional lights, the better! Be visible! This is mandatory – and NOT NEGOTIABLE.
    At my last event with Planet Ultra I had a blinking red taillight and no ankle bands. Towards the end of the ride, one of the guys working the course slowed down next to me, congratulated me and said something along the lines that I had the most visible light on that day. Though my taillight was so bright that it would probably be hard to see if I had ankle straps.

    It's a CA law to have a red rear reflector and a bunch of side reflectors (three on each side). I personally think that a good blinking red light is better than a steady light or a reflector.

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    for PU rides I have a strap on each ankle and a bright head light and helmet light (the helmet light is nice when you have to look down or to the side and you still have light) and also a bright tail light, just upgraded. I think it is constant with a blinker. Our bikes don't have any reflectors so this is probably good.

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    I think the ride gets lot of new riders especially new to clip in pedals. I see people fall over ever year starting and finishing. And some people just aren't ready for the wind either. My top speed was a little slower compared to past years also I am 220 right now ?! so i roll down hill faster then you. There was one spot on the road, where we turned off Ave 60 to go North again and just before the run off the shoulder just disappeared. at least 5 riders behind me were in the dirt and I had some speed wobbles but we all stayed up. Not sure if we zoned out or the guys up front just didn't call it out. Glad you are alright Rick. Oh and I have ridden this many times and have still gotten lost but this year signage seemed fine. I actually like the route better because there were less turns but the streets were new to me and probably motorist too.
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    I am very sorry about the accidents, injuries, and fatality! It was my daughter’s first century so we rode at a relaxed pace and finished at 4 PM. The ambulance passed us on Dillon and we crossed the accident at Ave 60 during the final investigation. When I saw the conditions there I realized that it would be easy to have an accident there. OMG!
    The Planet Ultra policy is consistent with randonneuring (RUSA, Audax Club Parisien (ACP)) principles that flashing tail lights are distracting to following riders. Also, California law stipulates that flashing red lights are reserved for emergency vehicles only. I do not agree with these rules and I use a flashing light because I know that it focuses an approaching driver’s attention and, more importantly, lets him know that it is a bicycle that he is approaching. I am merely stating one reason for the Planet Ultra rule. I do not believe that it is enforced but I haven’t finished a double at night for a while.
    It was pretty obvious to me that there were a lot of new riders by the number of dropped water bottles on the road! What a mess. Also, many riders were ignoring stops where cars were present and jumping across after a lead rider group had stopped with stop hand signals displayed. That is very bad form. I was disappointed with the rest stops from the meager food supplied. I had assumed that an event with a 16 year history would be better run. I am sorry that they now have a fatality to consider.
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    I did the 10 miler with my wife, we saw 3 people go down! People cry about roadies that paceline or go 'too fast' but I'll take a group of 60 experienced riders going 30 mph in a pack than a gob of new cyclists going 10 mph. No one could hold a straight line, people were colliding into cyclists near them, and no one was paying attention. One girl went down face first and played it off well, but I could tell she was hurting.

    The bad thing about these events is riders get too comfortable on the road. I saw too many people cutting off cars, or just wandering into the traffic lanes without looking.
    judging from what you post on here it seems having a powermeter has caused you to focus on ewang numbers without much a focus on developing actual fitness.

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    ^^^ your last sentence says it all.

    I think rides like TDPS are great but from my observations people tend to do things they normally wouldn't do while riding just because so many other people are doing it. Riding to the "far right" just isn't possible along some stretches - there are so many riders the group takes up the entire lane at times and you tend to get too comfortable. When I rode it I tried to separate myself from the packs because people were so squirrelly.

    There's strength in numbers but you really need to look out for yourself. The woman who was killed may have gotten too comfortable unfortunately. Sad story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heathpack View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by hamster View Post
    If it's any consolation, they say that it's the first fatality in 16 years the event was held. And I think it's the biggest event is Southern California.

    Though this looked like an unusually crash-prone day. I saw one guy fall off the bike before the ride even started, on the way to the starting line, there was an ambulance on Dillon (I think they were taking someone away), and there was a pileup right in front of me, I think it was just past the light at Ave 52 and Jackson. Not sure if it was Rick or someone else.
    The fatality was the second ambulance I saw that day. There was a lady down between the 30 & 35 mile marks, I'd say- maybe that was Dillon, the road with the rolling hills? She was sitting up though, with her arm in a sling and her bike still looked like a bike. A broken collarbone perhaps. There was an ambulance and fire truck there.

    It was my first century, so I thought all the ambulances were par for the course.

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    That lady was a teammate. She was knocked down by a male cyclist who passed too close, clipping her pedal and wheel with his front wheel. She went down. He stopped only long enough to pick up her water bottle. He asked if she was ok and when she said no, he took off leaving her laying by side of road. A wonderful man on a SCOR jersey came upon her and called 911...stayed there until FD and Ambulance arrived. She was ahead if most if team. We all stopped as we came upon scene. She has fractured collarbone but no surgery deemed needed. She's mostly angry about situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beachgrad05 View Post
    That lady was a teammate. She was knocked down by a male cyclist who passed too close, clipping her pedal and wheel with his front wheel. She went down. He stopped only long enough to pick up her water bottle. He asked if she was ok and when she said no, he took off leaving her laying by side of road. A wonderful man on a SCOR jersey came upon her and called 911...stayed there until FD and Ambulance arrived. She was ahead if most if team. We all stopped as we came upon scene. She has fractured collarbone but no surgery deemed needed. She's mostly angry about situation.
    Im sorry to hear that but it doesn't surprise me. I'm a newby and even I could tell there were some utterly clueless self-absorbed people out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boingobongo View Post
    Overall a great ride, but the fatal accident is tragic. I almost feel guilty for enjoying my day so much knowing that it ended so horribly for someone else.

    However, the weather was perfect and the people were awesome. The only issue I had was that before the ride, they made a huge deal of how stocked the sag stops would be ("we guarantee you'll gain weight"), but in reality they were pretty barren, with one completely missing. After the pretty sweet spreads last year, I was counting on the stops for snacks and fuel, but I ended up running on near empty for quite a ways.

    Great ride though, I'm sad it's over!
    I participated in the 55mi route and the first 2 SAG stops had only water when my group arrived. It was only when we got to the 3rd, and final, stop that we found snacks and fuel. Surely this was a fluke and not normal for this event I can imagine.

    Overall, the ride was fun with beautiful weather and scenery, hampered only by the news of the tragic accident.

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    Also this is one of the biggest rides around meaning more people and more voices expressed, maybe that is a good thing. I think the event has grown every year, not sure if the organizers have kept up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SoCAlAD8 View Post

    Overall, the ride was fun with beautiful weather and scenery, hampered only by the news of the tragic accident.
    Agreed!

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    This was my 1st time riding the TdPS. I drove all the way from Seattle down there, through 2 giant snow storms in WA and OR on Thurs and Fri. It was an amazing ride, the weather was more than perfect. Thanks for the great memories. Only to know about the tragic accident from the news on Saturday night.

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    This is the 5th time that I've rode the TdPS. I love this century. It's the flattest that I'm aware of and you get a nice tailwind when heading East. Yes, there are a lot of noobs on the road but it's safe for the most part. The same thing almost occurred with our group at the same intersection where the accident occurred. At minimal, there should have been signs on both sides indicating a "Bicycle Event Ahead" and maybe a "Slow down" sign. This would have alerted any vehicles of the presence of bicycles. That particular intersection is very risky as you have vehicles driving at a higher rate of speed. That mixed with courteous drivers waving you through is not a good mix. My condolences to the family of Mrs. Koestner. A huge loss for the cycling community....

    My other beef may be when the rides starts and the local law enforcement is forcing a procession of 30k riders onto one lane. This event has grown many-fold and they need to accommodate for the growth. Just my two cents.

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