Advertise on Bikeforums.net



User Tag List

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 28
  1. #1
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Posts
    1
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Cyclist killed by Drunk - Huntington Beach

    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/b...nt-police.html

    I knew Matt. Really nice guy, full of life. My thoughts and prayers to his family.

  2. #2
    SuperGimp TrojanHorse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Whittier, CA
    My Bikes
    Specialized Roubaix, Merlin Road, Bianchi Campione
    Posts
    7,403
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    )@#&*#$#, not again. And another *@&#^ drunk fled the scene - I'm glad the cops caught him - I hope they lock him up for a long time, but I think involuntary manslaughter is a 2 year max sentence in CA. I'm sorry for your friend's family too, what a shame.

    OK, how on earth did the car sustain this kind of damage hitting a cyclist? Where did the tire go?


  3. #3
    Administrator CbadRider's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    On the bridge with Picard
    My Bikes
    Specialized Allez, Specialized Sirrus
    Posts
    5,716
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    The car was found about a mile away in a parking lot. If the tire blew when he hit the cyclist and he drove on the rim for a mile, I imagine it would be shredded. Plus, you never know what else he drove over while he was fleeing the scene.
    Quote Originally Posted by toddles View Post
    So Tom only hires people that are nutty? Is part of the requirement to be a moderator on this site is that you have to be nuts??
    Forum Guidelines *click here*

  4. #4
    SuperGimp TrojanHorse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Whittier, CA
    My Bikes
    Specialized Roubaix, Merlin Road, Bianchi Campione
    Posts
    7,403
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    You're probably right... He probably hit the curb and maybe something else on the side of the road besides the cyclist. I'm pretty wary of riding at night for reasons of drunk drivers but that man who was killed on Santiago Canyon a few weeks ago at 8 am by a drunk freaks me out.

  5. #5
    www.ocrebels.com Rick@OCRR's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    Whittier, CA
    My Bikes
    GT Edge Titanium, Mercian Vincitore, Masi Gran Criterium, GT Zaskar, Hercules 3-Speed, KHS Flight Team
    Posts
    5,216
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    You're probably right... He probably hit the curb and maybe something else on the side of the road besides the cyclist. I'm pretty wary of riding at night for reasons of drunk drivers but that man who was killed on Santiago Canyon a few weeks ago at 8 am by a drunk freaks me out.
    I do ride at night but am off the roads by 8:00PM, usually, so not as many drunks as likely at 11:00PM when he was hit but you're right TrojanHorse, it can happen at any time of night or day . . . even 8:00AM. Tragic regardless of the time.

    Rick / OCRR

  6. #6
    Me and the cat... Pamestique's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Tustin, CA
    My Bikes
    2002 Lemond Zurich, 2006 Santa Cruz Superlight, 2010 Landshark, 2012 Santa Cruz Juliana, 2014 Juliana Premiero Origin 29er
    Posts
    4,363
    Mentioned
    7 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    It really really sucks that these motorists have taken away from me something i love to do... I just can't ever see doing much road riding ever again, at least not here in So Cal. I still ride my road bike (even at night) but on the paved trails away from traffic. I am so glad I see more and more roadies using blinky lights and hi-viz clothing but really when someone is wasted, none of that matters. And with our laws, there really is no punishment for killing someone while under the influence...

    You roadies... please stay safe... please; I am so sorry for this man's family and I am sorry for the cycling community on a whole...
    ______________________________________________________________

    Private docent led mountain bike rides through Limestone Canyon. Go to letsgooutside.org and register today! Also available: hikes, equestrian rides and family events as well as trail maintenance and science study.

  7. #7
    Banana Pancakes furiousferret's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Redlands, CA
    Posts
    2,458
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    It really really sucks that these motorists have taken away from me something i love to do... I just can't ever see doing much road riding ever again, at least not here in So Cal. I still ride my road bike (even at night) but on the paved trails away from traffic. I am so glad I see more and more roadies using blinky lights and hi-viz clothing but really when someone is wasted, none of that matters. And with our laws, there really is no punishment for killing someone while under the influence...

    You roadies... please stay safe... please; I am so sorry for this man's family and I am sorry for the cycling community on a whole...
    I've always picked an chosen my routes; there are roads I will not go on because the propensity or either drunks or texters. I'm not going to say there is no risk, because many of these fatalities are on what I consider safe areas, which is disturbing.

    Just bear in mind that every day in Socal roughly 5 people die in an automobile, and I don't see people shying away from driving.

  8. #8
    SuperGimp TrojanHorse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Whittier, CA
    My Bikes
    Specialized Roubaix, Merlin Road, Bianchi Campione
    Posts
    7,403
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
    I've always picked an chosen my routes; there are roads I will not go on because the propensity or either drunks or texters. I'm not going to say there is no risk, because many of these fatalities are on what I consider safe areas, which is disturbing.

    Just bear in mind that every day in Socal roughly 5 people die in an automobile, and I don't see people shying away from driving.
    Or those 6 people on the 60 driving home from wherever they were at 5 am on Feb 9.... when your time is up, it's up - but dying senselessly through somebody else's stupidity is particularly poignant.

  9. #9
    Senior Member Jed19's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    3,741
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    So sad to read again of another cyclist's death at the hands of a drunk. My condolences to Matthew Liechty's family and friends.

    The real problem is that SoCal is just too crowded with motorists (drunk,sober,texting and absent-minded) to really have a safe road cycling experience here. I have had many close calls, and none was my fault, as I always try to be super careful. The last place I lived before coming to SoCal was Fort Collins, Colorado, and the road cycling was great in that area and the Rocky Mountains in general. I remember a 50Miler road ride I once did in New Mexico, and only counted seventeen cars. I'll still continue to ride in SoCal, but I am always aware that my next ride could be my last.
    Regards,

    Jed

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Fullerton
    My Bikes
    2010 Felt F1, 1949 Schwinn Black Phantom
    Posts
    312
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    It's hard not to hesitate before heading out for a ride when we've had so many cyclists hit by cars. Night riding, day riding, drunks or not - the accidents still happen. Don't forget the biker that was hit by a Sheriff in the middle of the day on fairly wide street. There isn't really a safe time to be on the road - which really sucks if you want to climb hills or venture off the limited trails.
    _______

  11. #11
    Senior Member Garfield Cat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Huntington Beach, CA
    My Bikes
    Cervelo Prodigy
    Posts
    4,984
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Edwards and Crosswind Drive intersection. That's between Elllis and Garfield. The street from curb to curb is maybe 60 feet wide. Very nice neighborhood, well groomed landscape.

    Never rode there in the dark, day or night. But I would imagine the residential neighborhood has less lighting.

    Drunk driving. Now how about under the influence of drugs like marijuana? I mean legalized recreational, would that just add more to incidents like "drunk driving" deaths?
    Last edited by Garfield Cat; 02-22-14 at 06:48 AM.

  12. #12
    Senior Member Jed19's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Posts
    3,741
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Garfield Cat View Post
    Drunk driving. Now how about under the influence of drugs like marijuana? I mean legalized recreational, would that just add more to incidents like "drunk driving" deaths?
    Of course it would. I mean, I smoked marijuana in college, and what I know is that it impairs your judgement. I definitely won't want to be on a bicycle while someone high on marijuana is trying hard to judge how far his/her car is from me.

    This is the frustrating part with all this marijuana legalization push. I think it is a road down to perdition.
    Regards,

    Jed

  13. #13
    Senior Member CommuteCommando's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    In the drops on the roads of North San Diego/South Orange Counies CA
    My Bikes
    KHS Alite 500, Trek 7.2 FX , Masi Partenza, Masi Fixed Special, Masi Cran Criterium
    Posts
    2,883
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Too bad Huntington Beach seems to be such a hotbed for drunks. Cycling fatalities in HB don't seem to be limited to Friday nights. Sad to hear of yet another one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    It really really sucks that these motorists have taken away from me something i love to do... I just can't ever see doing much road riding ever again, at least not here in So Cal. I still ride my road bike (even at night) but on the paved trails away from traffic. I am so glad I see more and more roadies using blinky lights and hi-viz clothing but really when someone is wasted, none of that matters. And with our laws, there really is no punishment for killing someone while under the influence...

    You roadies... please stay safe... please; I am so sorry for this man's family and I am sorry for the cycling community on a whole...
    Sorry to hear that you are letting this scare you off the roads, but it's your choice, and I respect it. I refuse to let @$$^'$ drive me off the roads.
    Last edited by CommuteCommando; 02-25-14 at 01:49 PM.
    Freedom is free. It's included in democracy. Democracy is hard. It involves dealing rationally with people you disagree with.

  14. #14
    Just Keep Pedaling Beachgrad05's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Lakewood, CA
    My Bikes
    99 Schwinn Mesa GS MTB, 11 Trek 7.2 FX WSD, 12 Trek 4.5 Madone, 14 Bianchi Vigarelli
    Posts
    2,015
    Mentioned
    15 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by furiousferret View Post
    I've always picked an chosen my routes; there are roads I will not go on because the propensity or either drunks or texters. I'm not going to say there is no risk, because many of these fatalities are on what I consider safe areas, which is disturbing.

    Just bear in mind that every day in Socal roughly 5 people die in an automobile, and I don't see people shying away from driving.
    Parts per million...5 out if how many million drivers? And really issue in my mind is drivers seem to get away with little to no punishment for hitting and injuring or killing cyclists. Police even are complicit in victim blaming and writing reports absolving drivers. Teammate was hit and driver and his friend lied to police and made it appear cyclist was at fault and did not do due diligence to verify veracity of their story. Guess fact they didn't run gave him a pass? Meanwhile my teammate is recovering from major injuries requiring surgery.
    Move along....nothing to see here....anymore.

  15. #15
    SuperGimp TrojanHorse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Whittier, CA
    My Bikes
    Specialized Roubaix, Merlin Road, Bianchi Campione
    Posts
    7,403
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    I'm starting to think I need a gaggle of these things: http://rideye.com/store/

    And for my car too! Did any of you hear about the cops in Brooklyn that went the wrong way down a one-way street, side-swiped a parked car and then pinned the accident on the fellow sitting in the passenger seat of the parked car and arrested him for damaging city property & resisting arrest? Some body in one of the apartments above had a security camera that showed what the cops did, but they still threw the guy in jail for a night. http://nypost.com/2014/02/21/cops-hi...er-it-up-suit/

    You just can't trust anybody these days, what a shame.

  16. #16
    Banana Pancakes furiousferret's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Redlands, CA
    Posts
    2,458
    Mentioned
    5 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Beachgrad05 View Post
    Parts per million...5 out if how many million drivers? And really issue in my mind is drivers seem to get away with little to no punishment for hitting and injuring or killing cyclists. Police even are complicit in victim blaming and writing reports absolving drivers. Teammate was hit and driver and his friend lied to police and made it appear cyclist was at fault and did not do due diligence to verify veracity of their story. Guess fact they didn't run gave him a pass? Meanwhile my teammate is recovering from major injuries requiring surgery.
    I'm sure its quite a few million, my point being perspective; very few people get in a car thinking they are going to die, yet I know many cyclists that think that way. The numbers will skew that cycling is more dangerous but not by much.

    Unfortunately when dealing with the Police many times its who screams the loudest gets their way, and there are cops that do not like cyclists. Drivers are typically not hurt so its their story against an either traumatized or dead cyclist. We've had some pretty disgusting stories where drivers just walk after killing a cyclist when its clearly their fault.

  17. #17
    Powered by Borscht ovoleg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    SoCal
    My Bikes
    Russian Vodka
    Posts
    8,217
    Mentioned
    6 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Very sad to hear this...

    But quitting something you love because of this fear is a little, bleh. You can get killed in a car just as easily(many people die in CA from car accidents).
    -Cat-3-o-meter: TBD :/

  18. #18
    Senior Member Garfield Cat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Huntington Beach, CA
    My Bikes
    Cervelo Prodigy
    Posts
    4,984
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    There's 8.5 miles of beach front for public use in Huntington Beach. That makes it very attractive for out of town visitors. On weekends, weather permitting, the Pier area draws a big crowd. The two hotels on PCH, Hilton and Hyatt are usually very busy. And under construction is Pacific City, another development on PCH near the pier.

    All this makes for more public activity. H.B. draws a different type of crowd than say, Corona del Mar.

  19. #19
    Banned.
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    86
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    America loves its alcohol.

    reap what you sow.

  20. #20
    SuperGimp TrojanHorse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Whittier, CA
    My Bikes
    Specialized Roubaix, Merlin Road, Bianchi Campione
    Posts
    7,403
    Mentioned
    27 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Nikon Rep View Post
    America loves its alcohol.

    reap what you sow.
    So who exactly is reaping what he sowed?

  21. #21
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Behind The Orange Curtain, CA
    My Bikes
    1996, Giant ATX converted to single speed, 2013 Custom Coconino One Speed
    Posts
    23
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by sparti View Post
    http://www.ocregister.com/articles/b...nt-police.html

    I knew Matt. Really nice guy, full of life. My thoughts and prayers to his family.

    Matt was my brother and weekend riding partner. Tell me the pain eases soon.

    ML
    2013 Custom Coconino One Speed
    1996 Giant ATX 870 converted to single speed,

  22. #22
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Behind The Orange Curtain, CA
    My Bikes
    1996, Giant ATX converted to single speed, 2013 Custom Coconino One Speed
    Posts
    23
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by TrojanHorse View Post
    )@#&*#$#, not again. And another *@&#^ drunk fled the scene - I'm glad the cops caught him - I hope they lock him up for a long time, but I think involuntary manslaughter is a 2 year max sentence in CA. I'm sorry for your friend's family too, what a shame.

    OK, how on earth did the car sustain this kind of damage hitting a cyclist? Where did the tire go?


    Matts bike was lodged under the vehicle the suspect was found trying to remove it...

    ML
    2013 Custom Coconino One Speed
    1996 Giant ATX 870 converted to single speed,

  23. #23
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2011
    Location
    Behind The Orange Curtain, CA
    My Bikes
    1996, Giant ATX converted to single speed, 2013 Custom Coconino One Speed
    Posts
    23
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Beachgrad05 View Post
    ... Police even are complicit in victim blaming and writing reports absolving drivers. Teammate was hit and driver and his friend lied to police and made it appear cyclist was at fault and did not do due diligence to verify veracity of their story. Guess fact they didn't run gave him a pass? Meanwhile my teammate is recovering from major injuries requiring surgery.

    I have Matts Garmin track and can pinpoint speed location time etc... Hoping its of use to the investigation. Seeing how far he was launched in the air via teh elevation and the sudden speed drop is hard to look at The driver was charged with 4 felony counts but has bailed out of jail, pending arraignment in April. The investigators seems to think its pretty straight forward case.

    ML

  24. #24
    Senior Member CommuteCommando's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    In the drops on the roads of North San Diego/South Orange Counies CA
    My Bikes
    KHS Alite 500, Trek 7.2 FX , Masi Partenza, Masi Fixed Special, Masi Cran Criterium
    Posts
    2,883
    Mentioned
    3 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by MSLiechty View Post
    I have Matts Garmin track and can pinpoint speed location time etc... Hoping its of use to the investigation. Seeing how far he was launched in the air via teh elevation and the sudden speed drop is hard to look at The driver was charged with 4 felony counts but has bailed out of jail, pending arraignment in April. The investigators seems to think its pretty straight forward case.

    ML
    Per recommendation on another thread by Tom Stormcrow, share the details of that with a lawyer, and don't post a lot of those details here. Let the lawyer determine what is appropriate to share publicly. Getting this guy won't bring your bro back, but putting him away is still important.
    Freedom is free. It's included in democracy. Democracy is hard. It involves dealing rationally with people you disagree with.

  25. #25
    Senior Member eja_ bottecchia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    3,397
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Pamestique View Post
    ... And with our laws, there really is no punishment for killing someone while under the influence...
    You are closer to the truth than what you may even imagine.
    My current stable:

    1989 SLX Bottecchia (Campy Athena 11s)
    1999 Cannondale F400 mountain bike
    2012 Bianchi Infinito (Campy Record 11s)
    2012 Colnago C59 in PR99 color scheme (Campy Record 11s)

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •