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Old 06-03-14, 10:24 AM   #1
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Looking for route including Pendleton

Hey all,

I'm trying to plan my annual birthday ride for either Jul 4 or 5 (5th is a saturday, but since 4th is a holiday my cycling buddies will not be working), and I could use some help.

I am currently "in training" for the Devil Dog Duathlon, so I want to incorporate the bike portion of that route (Stuart Mesa and Las Pulgas), and I want to make the whole route at least 43.5 miles (which rounds up to my age of 44), and it would be cool to start/end at Pizza Port on Carlsbad Village Dr. (Well actually, it is the ending at Pizza Port that really counts, if you know what I mean...)

I've found a route that I like (link ?), but (a) I'm worried about the uncertainty of Pendleton being open for cycling on any given day (last time I had to ride on the shoulder of I-5 and that was the pits!), and (b) I've heard that, even when the base is open for cycling, bikes are not allowed on Basilone.

Any suggestions/info?
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Old 06-03-14, 10:39 AM   #2
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Maybe I should have a backup route in case we get to the gate and they don't let us in. After Port to main gate, the San Luis Rey River trail to N Santa Fe looks nice and gets me to 16.5mi, but then what? I don't really know the area, and I don't want to end up fighting traffic on busy roads, or riding right next to 78 all the way back.
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Old 06-03-14, 11:32 AM   #3
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I have never had an issue getting on base. It is however their decision at any given time. Having a partner with a military id riding with you could be helpful. Always have your own current id. The route you need to take on base is clear and not subject to deviation. It is a south north access or visa versa only and a privilege to ride there. That weekend might be a challenge due to the holiday maybe someone else can chime in.

One suggestion for the 4th from me would be the the Scripps Old Pros 4th of July ride. not a bad course beer garden at the end and a t shirt included with registration with old glory somewhere on it which is a good thing. Close to the same miles you are seeking. I know not an answer to your question but I figured i would throw it out there.

4th of July Scripps Ranch 50 Mile Bike Ride
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Yes, last time I went there, there was a sign on Basilone saying that bikes were not allowed. I'm not sure about Las Pulgas either. Generally speaking, civilian cyclists are supposed to stay on Stuart Mesa. I don't think it's seriously enforced though, there are cyclists living on the base, and their police can't tell a marine cyclist from a civilian cyclist. I managed to get lost there and wander pretty deep in on one occasion: Bike Ride Profile | How not to cross Camp Pendleton near Escondido | Times and Records | Strava

How do you like climbing? Here's a 46 mile loop, you can try to shave off 2 miles somewhere: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/33.2...159884!1m0!3e1 I'm not a fan of Vista, too much traffic, not enough bike lanes, and generally sketchy. This route would have no traffic on the way out, except on the 76 (there's a nice new wide bike lane now), and on Gopher Canyon if you get there during rush hour.
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Old 06-03-14, 12:40 PM   #5
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Gallo, I forgot about that, I saw those guys last year and looked up the ride and forgot about it. I'm not too hot on paying $45 reg, so I might just ride the route bib-less (and of course not bogart benefits at the aid stations). Fortunately, that route goes right by my house, but unfortunately at about the 45-mile mark. So I might just leave the house at 6:30 and 'happen' to cruise through about the time of the start.

But because of the Devil Dog Duathlon coming up in Aug, I really would prefer to include Stuart Mesa and Las Pulgas, just so I get a chance to try it out once before the real deal, know how much hill I'm dealing with.

Hamster, that's not a bad loop, I'll keep that in my pocket and maybe if we get turned back at the gate I can use that as a backup. I don't like climbing at all -- but it is a necessary evil if you ever want to enjoy a downhill run. Looks like significantly less climbing than the Great Western Loop, so I should be able to handle it.

I haven't been on the new bike lane (did you mean 78?) Is it separated like the one on the south side of 56? Is it all paved, or is it hardpack trail?
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Maybe I should have a backup route in case we get to the gate and they don't let us in. After Port to main gate, the San Luis Rey River trail to N Santa Fe looks nice and gets me to 16.5mi, but then what? I don't really know the area, and I don't want to end up fighting traffic on busy roads, or riding right next to 78 all the way back.
Take bike trail to College, then exit trail onto College. Then,
Right on Vandegrift,
Right on River Rd,
Right on Hwy 76, then veer right after 1/4 mi and go around gate.
Cross old bridge,
Left on Old River Rd,
Right on Camino del Rey,
Right on Hwy 395,
Right on Deer Springs Rd,
Stop at AM/PM,
Continue on Deer Springs,
Deer Springs turns into Twin Oaks Valley Rd,
Right on San Marcos Blvd,
SMB turns into Palomar Airport Rd,
Right at Car Country (forget name of street - turn right at the windmill),
Left at Cannon,
Right on Coast Hwy,
Right on Elm.

Should be 40-45 miles. There are a lot of options (Sleeping Indian, West Lilac, San Elijo) if you like to climb.
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Thx GP, if this link works, I'm seeing that net out at 51.3 actually (including a spur up to the Pendleton Main Gate and back, assuming they don't let us through). Without the spur, you're right, it's 45. I'm seeing I could shave that down to 48.6 (including the spur) by taking Buena Creek off of Deer Springs -- do you know what that road is like?
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No, I do mean 76. IIRC it's a wide paved shoulder.
GP's loop is very similar to mine, with a couple of differences:
* River Rd vs. 76: River Rd used to be the only option before 76 was widened. I've only been there once but I didn't like it one bit, it's a two lane with no shoulder and there was a lot of eastbound traffic. It may depend on time of day though.
* Camino Del Rey + 395 vs Gopher Canyon + Twin Oaks Valley: roughly the same amount of climbing, my option is 5 miles shorter, but it has steeper grades (gets into double digits for a little bit), Camino Del Rey / 395 is gentler.

Haven't been on Buena Creek, looks like a sleepy two lane in google street view, but I don't see how it shaves anything down. From the intersection of Buena Creek / Twin Oaks to Palomar / Melrose, it's exactly the same distance whether you take Twin Oaks and San Marcos Blvd, or Buena Creek and Sycamore.
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Hm, now that I check again I am seeing no change in distance. Not sure what I was seeing before. Good to know about Gopher Canyon vs 395 with climbing. Normally I would go for longer/gentler, but up above 40mi I might just want to tough it out to keep the mileage/time down.

Thx for the ideas, these are all helpful...
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River Rd is OK early. I usually turn off at Sleeping Indian, make a right at Morro Hills, then right at Olive Hill. You can then cross 76 and turn left onto Camino del Rey.

Buena Creek is a nice ride but it's easy to get lost out there if you're not familiar with the area.

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I didn't click on the link but I don't use GPS, Strava, mapmy ride or a bike computer.

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The link is for google maps
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Oh. Your route looks fine.

I live on across the street from the Angelo's in South O so that general loop is a regular ride for me.

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FYI, this is the route I settled on. Except I stretched it to 48mi by accidentally not turning left on Stuart Mesa, and continuing straight on Vandegrift for a couple miles, until we got pulled over by an MP. I was ahead at that point and didn't talk to the MP myself, but one of our party was a retired SEAL, so the MP gave him permission to escort us on any road we wanted on base. But when I realized I had made a wrong turn (not made a right turn, I mean a correct turn, which was a left turn -- bad signage! There was a sign that said "Ash" to the right, but I saw no sign saying Stuart Mesa to the left!) we turned around.

Turns out Las Pulgas is super easy (for me)! I wouldn't even call it a hill really. There was a big ocean breeze that pretty much nullified the grade both ways (coming downhill felt harder, but we did avg a couple mph more).

However, we hit southbound Rancho del Oro at about mi 40, and those four hills hit us hard! We finished in pretty exactly 4hours though, and enjoyed a lovely lunch at Pizza Port.
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