Cycling and bicycle discussion forums. 
   Click here to join our community Log in to access your Control Panel  


Go Back   > > >

Southern California Southern California

User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-29-14, 01:41 PM   #1
oddjob2 
Still learning
Thread Starter
 
oddjob2's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: North of Canada, Adirondacks, NNJ
Bikes: Too many
Posts: 9,640
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 117 Post(s)
Accidents Will Happen

LA Times article

http://graphics.latimes.com/la-bike-hit-and-runs/
__________________
Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving. Albert Einstein
2016 Additions: 1981 Miyata 1000, 1981 Schwinn Voyageur 11.8 chrome, Schwinn Paramount 50th Anniversary, Dawes Galaxy, Raleigh International, 1985 Raleigh Alyeska
oddjob2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-14, 10:20 PM   #2
onespeedbiker
Retro Grouch
 
onespeedbiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Santa Cruz
Bikes: Yes
Posts: 2,210
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Your talking LA here! When I worked a traffic car in Rosemead, there was a very large first generation Asian population. It turns out as a long as you are in the country legally, you have the right to a driver's license, even if you don't speak English. Since there are no DMV tests in many of the Asian dialects, you are allowed to use a paid translator when talking the tests; pay them a little more and they also give you the answers (this came from a DMV representative). I remember pulling over a middle aged Asian woman driving a station wagon, for running a red light. As I approached her car, she exited her vehicle, got down on her knees in the middle of the street, and stared pleading with me in what was apparently her home language. There I was trying to lift this poor woman off her knees, while looking around hoping someone wasn't watching what was going on; apparently being detained in this woman's country by the police can be a horrific experience. Anyway I got her back in her car, she did have a valid drivers license and proof of Insurance so I wrote her the ticket, but OMG I was thinking, what happened was just nuts!

Last edited by onespeedbiker; 11-30-14 at 12:02 AM.
onespeedbiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-14, 10:46 PM   #3
Gary Fountain
Senior Member
 
Gary Fountain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Hervey Bay, Qld, Australia.
Bikes: Colnago (82, 85, 89, 90, 91, 96, 03), 85 Cinelli, 90 Rossin, 83 Alan, 82 Bianchi, 78 Fountain, 2 x Pinarello, Malvern Star (37), Hillman (70's), 80's Beretto Lo-Pro Track, 80's Kenevans Lo-Pro, Columbus Max (95), DeGrandi (80's) Track.
Posts: 2,367
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
I've lost count of the number of times I've been hit by cars, busses, trucks and even objects being thrown from these vehicles. It's also amazing just how many offenders just keep on driving - in fact, in my case, I think it's 100% of drivers that have kept on driving - I honestly can't remember one driver that has actually stopped to see if I was alright. Luckily I've only had one very serious accident.
Gary Fountain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-29-14, 11:37 PM   #4
jpaschall 
Senior Member
 
jpaschall's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Memphis, TN
Bikes: 1982 Trek 613, 1983 Trek 720, 1988 Panasonic MC 2500, 1981 Schwinn Super Sport
Posts: 466
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
This article is another reminder for me to never, ever read the comments section. Disgusting.
jpaschall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 12:36 AM   #5
Bad Lag
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Bikes:
Posts: 382
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 21 Post(s)
In my experience, those comments are very, very mild compared to many others I've read in threads on other discussion forums. Honestly, there are people out there who get homicidal when they see bicyclists on the road (I'm not exaggerating).

As offensive as they are, the comments of these posters reflects their attitudes, their mind set, their paradigm. Get used to it. It's real. It could easily reflect the thinking of the guy driving the car that's along side you right now. A lot of the ill will is caused by cyclists, themselves.

The attitudes reflect real driving problems caused by cyclists who DO NOT obey the rules of the road - all of them. That means stopping at STOP signs and putting your foot down on the road. It means riding as far to the right as is practicable. It means not riding single file when other vehicular traffic is on the roadway with you. Bicycle scoff-laws cause the cycling community a whole to look bad.

I am lucky. My area within the Los Angeles Basin has very few hit and runs.

Last edited by Bad Lag; 11-30-14 at 12:41 AM.
Bad Lag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 08:47 AM   #6
arex
Abuse Magnet
 
arex's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Colorado
Bikes: '91 Mtn Tek Vertical, '74 Raleigh Sports, '72 Raleigh Twenty, '09 Surly Karate Monkey
Posts: 1,515
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18 Post(s)
Good article.
arex is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 09:04 AM   #7
Bianchigirll 
Bianchi Goddess
 
Bianchigirll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Camp Hill, PA
Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.
Posts: 22,433
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
I think it is a sad testament to our society.
__________________
Bianchis '87 Sport SX, '90 Proto, '90 Campione del Fausto Giamondi Specialisma Italiano Mundo, '91 Boarala 'cross, '93 Project 3, '86 Volpe, '97 Ti Megatube, , '90 something Vento 603,

Others but still loved,; '80 RIGI, '80 Batavus Professional, '87 Cornelo, '09 Motobecane SOLD, '?? Jane Doe (still on the drawing board), '90ish Haro Escape
Bianchigirll is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 09:19 AM   #8
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Bikes:
Posts: 8,734
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I think it is a sad testament to our society.
+1

I thought we lived in a free country. I guess it is along as there are only cars on the road. But it is good to know if you are inconvenienced for upwards to 30 seconds its OK to maim and kill.

A&S, here we come.
iab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 09:25 AM   #9
daf1009 
Senior Member
 
daf1009's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: Alpharetta, GA
Bikes: More than I did a year ago!
Posts: 2,746
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 11 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
I think it is a sad testament to our society.
+1 Particularly the comments section
__________________
58 Raleigh Lenton Reg Harris Grand Prix, 62 Raleigh Lenton Blue Streak, 62 Raleigh Gran Sport, 72 Schwinn Sports Tourer, 72 Schwinn Super Sport, 80 Raleigh Super Course, 81 Miyata 1000, 85 Bianchi Veloce, 85 Tommasini Prestige, 88 Schwinn Ontare, 91 Tommasso SL-56, 92 Bridgestone RB-1, 93 Bridgestone XO-1, 92 Gazelle Champion Mondial AA, 93 Tommasini Super Prestige, 05 Pinarello Surprise
daf1009 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 09:36 AM   #10
cobrabyte
one life on two wheels
 
cobrabyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 2,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
I'm so glad I don't live in that armpit of a city
cobrabyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 09:38 AM   #11
cobrabyte
one life on two wheels
 
cobrabyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 2,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by daf1009 View Post
...
OT: that signature of yours sure takes up a lot of real estate on my screen...
cobrabyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 09:41 AM   #12
cobrabyte
one life on two wheels
 
cobrabyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 2,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by onespeedbiker View Post
Your talking LA here! When I worked a traffic car in Rosemead, there was a very large first generation Asian population. It turns out as a long as you are in the country legally, you have the right to a driver's license, even if you don't speak English. Since there are no DMV tests in many of the Asian dialects, you are allowed to use a paid translator when talking the tests; pay them a little more and they also give you the answers (this came from a DMV representative). I remember pulling over a middle aged Asian woman driving a station wagon, for running a red light. As I approached her car, she exited her vehicle, got down on her knees in the middle of the street, and stared pleading with me in what was apparently her home language. There I was trying to lift this poor woman off her knees, while looking around hoping someone wasn't watching what was going on; apparently being detained in this woman's country by the police can be a horrific experience. Anyway I got her back in her car, she did have a valid drivers license and proof of Insurance so I wrote her the ticket, but OMG I was thinking, what happened was just nuts!
So it's all non English speaking Asians doing all this mess. Got it.
cobrabyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 10:08 AM   #13
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Bikes:
Posts: 8,734
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cobrabyte View Post
I'm so glad I don't live in that armpit of a city
Why is it that you think Tampa/St Pete is any different?

I found these 2 in under a minute.

Jose Antonio Baez Gutierrez, 18, struck and killed by pickup truck while riding his bicycle on West Waters Avenue in Tampa, Florida | Accident Data Center

Natalia Leonard, 12, killed in bicycle crash with hit and run driver in Tampa on August 1. | Accident Data Center
iab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 10:20 AM   #14
cobrabyte
one life on two wheels
 
cobrabyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 2,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Because Tampa and St. Pete are two VERY different cities. on a scale of 1-10 on bike friendliness I'd give Tampa a 2 and St. Pete a 7
cobrabyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 10:54 AM   #15
iab
Senior Member
 
iab's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: NW Burbs, Chicago
Bikes:
Posts: 8,734
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 93 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cobrabyte View Post
Because Tampa and St. Pete are two VERY different cities. on a scale of 1-10 on bike friendliness I'd give Tampa a 2 and St. Pete a 7
You may not know this, but LA is quite a large city. There are areas in LA where bike friendliness is a 7. Other areas, not so much. Pretty much the same wherever you go.
iab is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 10:57 AM   #16
KonAaron Snake 
Fat Guy on a Little Bike
 
KonAaron Snake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Bikes: Two wheeled ones
Posts: 15,044
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 114 Post(s)
Why is this a c/v thread? This seems like a/s to me.

I've never ridden in LA, but I rode in Tampa, Sarasota and st Pete 15-20 years ago. Tampa was outright deadly. St Pete was better, but very small. Sarasota was actually lovely for riding.
KonAaron Snake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 11:09 AM   #17
cobrabyte
one life on two wheels
 
cobrabyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 2,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by iab View Post
You may not know this, but LA is quite a large city.
That's exactly what makes me glad I don't live there. Too many people, too many cars, just not my cup of tea. Both St. Pete and LA are ranked as "bronze medal" bike friendly cities by the League of American Cyclists, so your assessment is likely true. I like the small town feel of St. Pete though. I'm not a big city guy.
cobrabyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 11:30 AM   #18
KonAaron Snake 
Fat Guy on a Little Bike
 
KonAaron Snake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Bikes: Two wheeled ones
Posts: 15,044
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 114 Post(s)
Is Janis landing still there?
KonAaron Snake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 11:40 AM   #19
onespeedbiker
Retro Grouch
 
onespeedbiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Santa Cruz
Bikes: Yes
Posts: 2,210
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cobrabyte View Post
So it's all non English speaking Asians doing all this mess. Got it.
Oh come on cobrabyte; this is an example of whats wrong on the LA (and many other) streets. The what it "all" is, is that most car drivers don't accept bikes as alternate transportation, rather bicycles in the US are still viewed as children's toys. My example was to show the lack of seriousness that is given to allow people to drive. If one doesn't know the traffic laws and/or understand the language of some traffic signs, especially those that protect bicyclists, how are bicyclists supposed to be safe on the roads? The fact that I was telling relating an event about an Asian was only a reflection of the demographics of the area, not what you seemed to interpret as a racists remark.

Last edited by onespeedbiker; 11-30-14 at 11:43 AM.
onespeedbiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 11:41 AM   #20
cobrabyte
one life on two wheels
 
cobrabyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 2,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake View Post
Is Janis landing still there?
Indeed it is. It's called Jannus Live now and has been re-vamped but still has the large courtyard concert venue. If you haven't been to St. Pete since the 90's you'd be in for a surprise at how much the downtown area has changed. It's a great mix of art galleries, bars & restaurants and parks. There's a number of great breweries that have opened up in the craft beer boom, too. Downtown was a bit of a dump when I moved here in '95, and the city has since focused on returning it into a nice destination for residents & visitors. There's some debate as to what direction should be focused on. Some want to keep it quiet and preserve the historical charm, while others want to turn it into a yuppie playground a la Miami with high rise condos and high end retail. It's a bit of a mixed bag currently.
cobrabyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 11:44 AM   #21
cobrabyte
one life on two wheels
 
cobrabyte's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: St. Petersburg, FL
Bikes:
Posts: 2,556
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by onespeedbiker View Post
Oh come on cobrabyte; this is an example of whats wrong on the LA (and many other) streets. The what it "all" is, is that most car drivers don't accept bikes as alternate transportation, rather bicycles in the US are still viewed as children's toys. My example was to show the lack of seriousness that is given to allow people to drive. If one doesn't know the traffic laws and/or understand the language of some traffic signs, especially those that protect bicyclists, how are bicyclists supposed to be safe on the roads.
That's a valid concern but I'm not gonna lie your last post came off kind of racist.
cobrabyte is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 12:03 PM   #22
gioscinelli 
Ride Fast and Ride Safe!
 
gioscinelli's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Chicago
Bikes: 85 Gios Torino Professional-95 Cinelli Supercorse-97 Merlin Extralight-06 Colnago C50-71 Peugeot PX 10-74 Peugeot Mixtie U018-73 Peugeot U018
Posts: 1,195
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
There are two types of vehicles on the road that drivers don't see or ignore from ignorance or resentment. They are motorcyclist and bicyclist. It's a pity, but that's what is the reality of riding a bike on city streets! The best defense is to view all cars as the enemy
__________________
85 Gios Professional-95 Cinelli SC-97 Merlin Extralight-06 Colnago C 50-74 Peugeot Mixte-73 Peugeot Mixte
gioscinelli is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 12:23 PM   #23
KonAaron Snake 
Fat Guy on a Little Bike
 
KonAaron Snake's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Bikes: Two wheeled ones
Posts: 15,044
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 114 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cobrabyte View Post
Indeed it is. It's called Jannus Live now and has been re-vamped but still has the large courtyard concert venue. If you haven't been to St. Pete since the 90's you'd be in for a surprise at how much the downtown area has changed. It's a great mix of art galleries, bars & restaurants and parks. There's a number of great breweries that have opened up in the craft beer boom, too. Downtown was a bit of a dump when I moved here in '95, and the city has since focused on returning it into a nice destination for residents & visitors. There's some debate as to what direction should be focused on. Some want to keep it quiet and preserve the historical charm, while others want to turn it into a yuppie playground a la Miami with high rise condos and high end retail. It's a bit of a mixed bag currently.
I was in the area in the mid-90s, and the area had seen better years. It was still better than tampa, but that's a low bar. It had an artist community even then.
KonAaron Snake is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 12:28 PM   #24
cb400bill
Forum Moderator
 
cb400bill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Kalamazoo MI
Bikes: Yes
Posts: 11,784
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 63 Post(s)
Moved from C&V to So Cal.
cb400bill is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-14, 03:25 PM   #25
onespeedbiker
Retro Grouch
 
onespeedbiker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Santa Cruz
Bikes: Yes
Posts: 2,210
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by cobrabyte View Post
That's a valid concern but I'm not gonna lie your last post came off kind of racist.
Yes it did; my bad.
onespeedbiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:46 AM.