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    New Rhumba vs used Paso Doble?

    Looking at entry level tandems. So far Ive found a new Burley Rhumba at the LBS for $1800 but they will knock a couple of hundred off. I also found a used (2000) Burley Paso Doble with a current bid (actually the only bid) of $1600. I would have to pay for shipping with the ebay bike and tax on the LBS bike which is probably about a wash. They seem pretty even in terms of value to me, what do some of the experienced tandem folks think?

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    I myself would go with the new Rumba. The Rumba has no history since it is new, and you have no idea what kind of history the Paso has since it has had two prior owners. The Paso just seems too risky. If you are not a home bike mechanic then the Rumba is even more attaractive as the local dealer will normally provide free tune ups for at least a year.

    If you like the Rumba a bunch you can always upgrade it after you have ridden it some. The rumba is disk brake compatible where as the paso is not. The quality of the new Burley tandems are very nice as I just picked up a Rivazza myself.

    Hope that helps.

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    The new Ruba will give you a lifetime warranty on frame/fork.
    Used Burleys cannot transfer the warranty . . .
    Something to really consider!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyCool
    They seem pretty even in terms of value to me, what do some of the experienced tandem folks think?
    If that's an '05 for a couple hundred off that's a good deal. The '05 Rumba uses the same air hardened steel (True Temper OX Plantinum) as the more expensive Duet and Paso Doble, whereas the '04 used the ever so slighly heavier and less stiff 4130 chromoly (True Temper Verus). The components aren't chic but will last as long and perform about as well as more expensive models. As Rudy mentioned, the new tandem comes with a warranty which certainly adds value to the frame for the original owner. The only thing to be aware of is the Tiagra STI lever's design. Instead of using the brake lever and a finger paddle positioned behind the brake lever for shifting gears like most other Shimano STI groups (105, Ultegra, DuraAce) it uses a thumb paddle and finger paddle along the lines of Campy's Ergo levers.

    IMHO, the Paso Doble is priced at the mid-point which may be a bit high given the somewhat rough looking condition it's in. The tires they are running are wider than the rims are rated for and Burley has upgraded its frame materials and designs twice since the Paso Doble was produced. Personally, I would not be inclined to buy the Paso Doble sight unseen for the price they are asking. However, were it closer to $1,300 it might be attactive as a first tandem as anything short of a damaged frame could be addressed (new rims for instance) without blowing through the price point at which I could resell the bike and not take a loss if tandeming wasn't something we enjoyed or if the bike just wasn't a good fit for our needs.

    Let us know what you decide.

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    Thanks for the feedback guys. It is appreciated and confirms my gut instinct. I plan on swinging by the LBS today! Thanks again.

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    Spec wise they are not even close, frame wise is even father apart as the Paso uses OX Platnium tubing the best steel tubing you can get. If you would like to learn more about the tubing go to the TRUE TEMPER website. BUY THE PASO.

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    The Paso does have disc tabs and is much better spec, on par with a Rivazza Sport model, while the race has carbon fork & crank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mben2979
    Spec wise they are not even close, frame wise is even father apart as the Paso uses OX Platnium tubing the best steel tubing you can get. If you would like to learn more about the tubing go to the TRUE TEMPER website. BUY THE PASO.
    The 2000 model year Paso Doble (noting that it's not a new Paso on Ebay we're talking about) would have been fabricated with True Temper custom OX-Gold and OX-3 air hardened CrMo, not the OX Plantinum that is now being used. Burley has since changed the tubing it uses on all of its steel and aluminum tandems once and in some cases twice. If you check the 2005 specs you'll find that all but the Samba are now fabricated using the OX Plantinum, e.g., here is a link to the spec sheet for the '05 Rumba: http://www.burley.com/images/PDF/RumbaSpec.pdf

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    Quote Originally Posted by mben2979
    The Paso does have disc tabs and is much better spec, on par with a Rivazza Sport model, while the race has carbon fork & crank.
    IMHO, if the Paso 'looked' to be in better shape there would have been a stronger argument for a spec sheet comparison between the 5 year old high-end Burley and the brand new but value-priced entry level model. As it was, it appeared to have been ridden hard and put away wet which diminished it's resale value. Again, for $1,300 it "may" have been worth it to someone who works on bikes and tandems and who could whip it into shape without any third party labor expense.

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    UPDATE: I went to the LBS asked for the best price they could do on the Rhumba and ended up getting it for $1300! So I was pretty stoked. I was also buying a road bike so I think he truly made me a good deal. The wife and I are thrilled with the tandem and I am ecstatic with my new road bike - an '06 Trek 5200. Thanks again for all the advice.

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