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    Burley Rumba vs. KHS Milano

    Looks like this is our decision point. Either a 2006 Burley Rumba or a 2006 KHS Milano. They seem to be fairly equally setup w/components, with the Burley most likely having the edge. Big plus to the Burley for being built in the US of A, and for reputation.

    Price difference is only about 100 bucks. This year, the Rumba actually DROPPED 100 bucks in price. Sweet.

    I can get either bike from the same dealer.

    We are leaning towards the Burley.

    Any thoughts to sway us either way?

    Once again...thank you!
    Andy and Vickie

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    We have a '04 rumba and we are very happy with it. I have been cycling for many years. My wife just started in May when we got the rumba. My goal was get up to an occasional 25-mile ride. We now ride half centuries every weekend. The rumba is great, burley has been very responsive. Had a problem with the drop outs having too much paint for me to screw in the screws for a rack. I emailed Burley and within a few hours had an answer !!!!! For the money we are very happy... My only suggestion is to get a suspension seat post for the stroker.
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    If I could have gotten a new Rumba for $1,000 then I most likely would have. However, I when I was shopping, they where $2,000. Not expensive by tandem standards, but still more than twice what I paid for the Milano.

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    we have a Burley Duet, that we've enjoyed. Ride both and buy the one that fits the both of you best, and feels best to you. If those things are equal, I'd tend to favor Burley because of their experience in building tandems. Minor point, but I would think the Burley might hold its resale value a little bette rif you upgrade down the road.

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    You can order a 2006, and hopefully they'll ship to the dealers in November. And yes, Burley made some changes and dropped price by $100. Used to be able to have Illusion paint job included in 2005, but for '06 Illusion paint will cost you an extra $100+.
    Besides being made in USA Burley has a liftetime warranty on frame/fork to original owner . . .something to consider. Still a great bike at a great price.

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    We were quoted $1400 for a 2005 Burley Rumba less than a month ago. 2005 KHS Milano seem to go for $1100-1200 maybe less, Bicycle Blow Out sell a 2002 NOS model for $899 including delivery.

    We found a used Milano at a good price last week and bought it. It is in new condition and came at half the price of a new one. This was our best option for a first tandem on a budget and don't regret it at all. It is a great tandem, it fits us both and rides nice. It will give us the opportunity to do great rides together and see what kind of use we get out of it. Then keep/sell/upgrade, who knows ..

    Having said that, if we had been left with the choice of purchasing a brand new Milano vs a Rumba, the Rumba would have more than likely been our choice at today's prices. Tried both and can say Burley make a really nice product. Components and finish are better, the Rumba's stability and ride overall had an edge over the Milano.

    If you have the opportunity, try them both and you will understand what I mean.

    Note: we tried a 2005 Burley vs a 2003 KHS, maybe the 2005 KHS is improved, don't know. There was only one KHS dealer with a Milano in stock in our area vs >4 x Burley dealers.

    Last consideration is that the Burley will probably hold a better resell value than a KHS IMO.

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    Cycliste,

    It's always good to get your feet wet before jumping in the pool. Welcome to the tandem family!

    Sounds like you got a great deal on a good bike. When tendem shopping, I honestly could not tell that much difference between the brands/models. I tested a Santana steel-framed, Cannondale, Trek steel-framed, Longbikes steel-framed and the KHS Milano. The dealer was pushing the Santana. For some reason, I did not try a Burley even though the dealer carried them. For me as a beginning tandemest, it was a no-brainer as the dealer matched the Bicycle Blowout price.

    Good luck and have fun!
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    The one thing about NOT buying on the internet is that by purchasing from a local bike shop, not only am I supporting that shop, but I am also getting personal service and attention...I factor that into the price as well...and to us, that could be one of the most important "components" of a new bike purchase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyGrow
    The one thing about NOT buying on the internet is that by purchasing from a local bike shop, not only am I supporting that shop, but I am also getting personal service and attention...I factor that into the price as well...and to us, that could be one of the most important "components" of a new bike purchase.
    That is an important consideration for many. I think I sort of got the best of both worlds because the dealer matched the internet price. I do all my own wrenching, so buying from a dealer was not the determining factor in the purchase. I did have to assemble the bike myself, but I would have had to do that if I puchased off the internet. Plus, the dealer made some money on a slow-moving several-model-year-old product. And when I am ready to upgrade, I will go see him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndyGrow
    also getting personal service and attention...I factor that into the price as well...and to us, that could be one of the most important "components" of a new bike purchase.
    I could not agree more! While shopping for a tandem, I had almost given-up on the used option, especially Burleys. Sellers were pricing their bikes at >90% of today's retail, sometime valuing upgrades at more than retail. Sorry but 10 or 20% less is no a good enough saving to go for a used bike, sometime over ten years old. Purchasing from an LBS allows for component swap, discounted upgrades, free tunings that need to be factored in the savings achieved with an internet shopping, not mentioning test, sizing etc. And with used items, consider loss of warranty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by galen_52657
    Cycliste,

    It's always good to get your feet wet before jumping in the pool. Welcome to the tandem family!

    Sounds like you got a great deal on a good bike. When tendem shopping, I honestly could not tell that much difference between the brands/models. I tested a Santana steel-framed, Cannondale, Trek steel-framed, Longbikes steel-framed and the KHS Milano. The dealer was pushing the Santana. For some reason, I did not try a Burley even though the dealer carried them. For me as a beginning tandemest, it was a no-brainer as the dealer matched the Bicycle Blowout price.

    Good luck and have fun!
    Thanks! I did not try any higher-end tandems. I had seen the Co-Motion line at the Boston bike-show earlier this year and knowing me, I would be still looking to buy one of those if I had tried one . Got a new road bike at the beginning of the season, our cycling budget is now closed for the year!

    I am putting a new front handlebar today (46 instead of current too narrow 43) and am going to try to swap the brakes with the ones that are on my Bianchi boardwalk, I think center-pulls will work better than the laterals that come with the Milano, laterals are not really made for STI levers. Will post details if successful

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    Earlier this year my daughter and I test rode both the Burley and the KHS. Ultimately, we bought the Burley for two primary reasons:

    1. The paint on the Burley (actually powder coat) is likely to be much more durable than the paint on the KHS. The KHS we tested actually had a number of paint chips just from shop wear and a couple of test rides. Although normally powder coating leads to boaring, flat colours, the metal flake on the Burley livens up the colour a lot.

    2. The Burley has mounts for a rear disk brake if we ever decide to experiment with other braking options. With the KHS, a rear disk is not an option.

    So far as ride quality goes, we couldn't really choose between the two.

    Good luck with whatever you choose.

    John

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    I bought a Burley Rhumba in early August from a LBS. Paid $1300. Except for somehow bending the inner chainring we've thoroughly enjoyed the bike. I think the crankset is pretty lame on the Rhumba. That wil be our first upgrade. The next might be something with the brakes which, at 40 mph downhill and 380# of riders, don't have much effect.

    Big plug for our LBS, Bicycle Discovery in Fountain Valley, CA. They fixed the chainring issue at no charge. That will certainly get the upgrade business.

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