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Old 11-05-05, 02:09 AM   #1
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Flight Deck for Shimano XT

Does anyone know if the Shimano Flight Deck cadence feature will work with XT shift levers on by Burley Rock n Roll. I'm trying to find the long wire version of Cateye Astrail, but not really having any luck with the LBS.
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Cadence is calculated by FlightDeck, not picked up by a sensor. You just program in your chainring & cassette info when you set-up the FlightDeck.

Flight Deck Compatibility Chart & Tech Info is here: http://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...ight_deck.html

For your extralong cable, try a tandem dealer like TandemsEast, etc...
http://www.tandemseast.com/parts/accessories.html

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Old 11-05-05, 08:35 AM   #3
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Do note that my former Sora 7-speed brifters could accommodate the flight deck buttons, but did not have the internal wiring needed to send gear selection info the the computer. The computer could not indicate cadence.

I don't know if any of the MTB Shimano shifters are similarly half-compatible with the flight deck, but would probably be good to determine before buying the computer if there is any doubt. This could probably be done just by removing the button mount block-off plate on the shifters and looking to see if there is a contact wire strip sitting there in the button cavity.

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Hi Rlong

We have Deore Rapid Fire Shifters on our MTB Tandem. There is a wiring kit available that with rotating switches that fits into the shifters. They supply you with new covers and very neat looking yellow buttons that are clamped onto the handlebars. As said in the previous post the Flightdeck does not use a sensor pickup but makes use of a "virtual" cadence caluclation using the diameters of the chainrings and cassete. Contact your LBS and get the corretc wiring kit and sensor mount for your XT Shifters. I assume you have the Rapid Fire Type???? I do not know if you need special wiring kits for te newer STI LX shifters.

M uses a Cateye Astrale at the back This type has a extra pickup sensor that goes onto the pedal that picks up cadence. The wiring is not long enough to reach the front handl bars and I utilised one of the "T" brackets that MTB riders use to mount extra headlights for 24hour marathon events. It works very well. Will post a photo and instructions if you require.

Hope this helps

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If you do install the Flight Deck, make sure that A. you have a lot of patience and time and are a pretty decent mechanic, or B. you have cash to pay a mechanic.

I, for one, wimped out on installing the flight deck and got a Sigma 1600. I've since accepted my weakness.

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Dr Pete I do agree. It is complicated but very well made and though out setup. You just need to be very slightly technically adept to install it yourself. I must admit I did cuss a few times. We do not have ANY friendly bike mechanics out here in the bush in Mozambique.
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Cadence is calculated by FlightDeck, not picked up by a sensor. You just program in your chainring & cassette info when you set-up the FlightDeck.

Flight Deck Compatibility Chart & Tech Info is here: http://bike.shimano.com/publish/cont...ight_deck.html

For your extralong cable, try a tandem dealer like TandemsEast, etc...
http://www.tandemseast.com/parts/accessories.html
Trek doesn't list my shiftlever model number (ST-M738)on the compatibility chart. Perhaps it's just a little old. I will contact them and ask. Thanks for the assist on the long wire as well.
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Hi Rlong

We have Deore Rapid Fire Shifters on our MTB Tandem. There is a wiring kit available that with rotating switches that fits into the shifters. They supply you with new covers and very neat looking yellow buttons that are clamped onto the handlebars. As said in the previous post the Flightdeck does not use a sensor pickup but makes use of a "virtual" cadence caluclation using the diameters of the chainrings and cassete. Contact your LBS and get the corretc wiring kit and sensor mount for your XT Shifters. I assume you have the Rapid Fire Type???? I do not know if you need special wiring kits for te newer STI LX shifters.

M uses a Cateye Astrale at the back This type has a extra pickup sensor that goes onto the pedal that picks up cadence. The wiring is not long enough to reach the front handl bars and I utilised one of the "T" brackets that MTB riders use to mount extra headlights for 24hour marathon events. It works very well. Will post a photo and instructions if you require.

Hope this helps

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Not sure how you determine Rapid Fire type, as mine simply say Deore XT with something & "PLUS" over the XT. The print is so small and unique that I can't read it. I took the model number off the bottom (ST-M738) and it wasn't listed on the compatibility chart for the FlightDeck. The button kit that you mention, is that a Shimano or after market product?
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R-long,

Some of the shifters Shimano market has the name "Rapid Fire" on them and in our cycling fraternity speak all of the SIS (i think self indexing system) type are called "rapid fire ". They are not the new single padle type that includes braking and shifting. The Rapid Fire type has seperate upshift and downshift paddles as well as seperate brake handles. Go and look at the Shimano website to identify your type.

The button kit is Shimano and supplied as a wiring kit that includes the mounting base for my Flightdeck. It is also wireless from the Flightdeck to the pickup on the wheel.The buttons have the same purpose as the button setup on STI levers of roadbikes.

We have two tandems (road and MTB) and I will not ride without my Flightdeck for the simple reason that it gives me an indication of which ger the bike is in with the bubbles displayed on the Flightdeck. On a half bike you can crank your head beack to see what gear you are in. On a tandem you have to rely on your stoker. My wife normally takes ages and then she is never sure.

I tried to look at the Shimano website but is seems they are down.

FLIGHTDECK RULES.

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Big H,
Yes, I have the gear position window on my shifters and thanks for that because I would probably crash trying to figure out how to get a smaller gear, when I've already run out, if I didn't have it. I will contact Shimano and ask about compatibility.

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