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Old 01-19-07, 08:13 PM   #1
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Co-motion Value

I know there is a link somewhere. I have seen a 97 Co-motion Cappuccino in excellent condition with a Soft Ride beam and just wonder the value. The size would be correct. I know, I know there are ways of figuring. This tandem would be an entry level for my wife and I. I currently ride around 4k miles on my single and she would be basically new to this. I have a local shop that carries Cannondale and has 5 Burleys in stock. He has extensive tandem experience which would be a major plus as he has encouraged us to come and test ride along with his advice. My gut feeling is that for probably the $500-600 we would save by buying something on ebay, the money we would spend at the local shop would be worth it and that would be the logical way to go. I have a second shop that does not sell tandems and the owner has agreed to do "training" with us as he and his wife rides a tandem. I guess the ebay thing is something that one can't resist. The shop that carries the Cannondale and the Burleys when I went in to talk to him, he was pushing us toward the Cannondale. Of course, Burleys no longer making tandems and he is a major Cannondale dealer explains that; but he would give us honest advice. I used to always do my cycling business with him until a couple of years ago, when I, as the buyer expressed my desire to go back to steel and he continued to tell me the good deal he could make on a six13. That in of its' self forced me as the buyer to do what I wanted elsewhere. On the positive side, he is outstanding, he just has a loyality to Cannondale. This sounds like a multi-layered bunch of questions; but, someone please jump in.
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Old 01-19-07, 08:24 PM   #2
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Old 01-20-07, 09:21 PM   #3
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I don't know, but I would be a little concerned spending to much on a 10 year old bike. While the frame might be great, components are 10 years old, and other items may need attention. Cannondale makes a super entry level tandem, and has multiple sizes to get you what you would need. It the Co-Mo steel? The C-dale would be AL, but with a current drivetrain and disk brakes make it a nice package. I would ride both, and go with fit, but if you start upgrading the Co-Mo the price could really increase, and you still have a 10 year old bike.

P.S. I would only go the ebay route if you really know what you want...
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Old 01-21-07, 08:05 AM   #4
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We have seen the co-motion on ebay. It looks like a nice bike. It has bar end shifters and not STI's. It does not come with a drum brake. If we were you and assuming the bike fits, we would bid on it up to about 1500. Ride it for a year or two and then, if you both like tandems, sell it and get a high end tandem. If you can not get the co-mo, then either the Burley or the Dale would be good entry tandems. We would have to agree that the dale comes very well equiped and is an excellent deal.

But hey! You can buy one of the Burleys if you want and you can buy steel also... don't let an opinionated$$$ LBS owner push you.
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It might be helpful to look at the "Burley Samba Softride" thread. I would prefer a shock-absorbing seatpost over a beam.
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It might be helpful to look at the "Burley Samba Softride" thread. I would prefer a shock-absorbing seatpost over a beam.
In a similar vane, if you haven't ridden any tandems together I'd hold off on the Cappuccino unless you could get it at a ridiculously low price. You may find that the beam works just fine for you, or at least well enough for your first tandem. Then again, you could find yourselves faced with some handling issues if your stoker doesn't have a very smooth pedal stroke or tends to move about. Softride equipped tandems aren't everyone's cup of tea.

The following is a pretty good "first impressions" posting that highlights some of the potential issues once can encounter with a softride bike.

Cappuccino test ride: Co-Motion Cappuccino test ride

If you have access to Burley and Cannondale tandems that fit, by all means get some test rides in before jumping head long into a tandem purchase. It could be an eye opening experience and, as you already note, having access to an experienced tandem team that is willing to teach you the ropes along with a shop that can support your equipment definitely adds value to the purchasing process. A good first experience on the right tandem could mean the difference between the start of a very long and enjoyable life of tandeming together or a false start that leaves you with a tandem sitting in the garage gathering dust.

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Old 01-21-07, 03:26 PM   #7
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In a similar vane, if you haven't ridden any tandems together I'd hold off on the Cappuccino unless you could get it at a ridiculously low price. You may find that the beam works just fine for you, or at least well enough for your first tandem. Then again, you could find yourselves faced with some handling issues if your stoker doesn't have a very smooth pedal stroke or tends to move about. Softride equipped tandems aren't everyone's cup of tea.

The following is a pretty good "first impressions" posting that highlights some of the potential issues once can encounter with a softride bike.

Cappuccino test ride: Co-Motion Cappuccino test ride

If you have access to Burley and Cannondale tandems that fit, by all means get some test rides in before jumping head long into a tandem purchase. It could be an eye opening experience and, as you already note, having access to an experienced tandem team that is willing to teach you the ropes along with a shop that can support your equipment definitely adds value to the purchasing process. A good first experience on the right tandem could mean the difference between the start of a very long and enjoyable life of tandeming together or a false start that leaves you with a tandem sitting in the garage gathering dust.
Tandemgeek, sound advice. The impulse is there and yes, just an impulse.
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Test ride the bikes your LBS has in stock . . .
The no longer produced Burleys should be available at a decent price. Burley, to us, was always the 'biggest bang for the buck' in entry level 2-seaters and has decent resale value.
As for suspensions, some stokers demand it, others do not . My stoker has in mega-miles tandeming and does not have, or want, suspension. She has tested tandems with suspension, both seatposts and beams, and she preferred the beam to the post.
But each team's wants/needs are different.
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Old 01-21-07, 09:55 PM   #9
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Test ride the bikes your LBS has in stock . . .
The no longer produced Burleys should be available at a decent price. Burley, to us, was always the 'biggest bang for the buck' in entry level 2-seaters and has decent resale value.
As for suspensions, some stokers demand it, others do not . My stoker has in mega-miles tandeming and does not have, or want, suspension. She has tested tandems with suspension, both seatposts and beams, and she preferred the beam to the post.
But each team's wants/needs are different.
Well, I was outbid on ebay and really I am glad because of not only your sound advice; but, what I know I should of done in the first place, test ride and seek out hands on advice. The LBS still stocks 5 Burleys and he is the main dealer for Cannondale. When the weather breaks, we are hoping to test them. In the initial conversation, he was really swaying toward the Cannondale, guess so since that is his major line. Thanks again for not only the advice above; but, on my initial questions under another thread. (Seems the folks on the Tandem category is more straight forward versus the Road cycling category with many trying to evoke humor and/or stir up the ol' proverbial pot.)
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BUy what you can test ride for a first tandem.
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