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Story on Tandems on CNN.COM...
https://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/diet....ing/index.html
Starts positive then ends with a story about a fractured pelvis. As if thats going to help the Tandem sales. Stupid story filled with poor facts.
I feel sorry that Co-Motion as associated with the story.
https://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/diet....ing/index.html
Starts positive then ends with a story about a fractured pelvis. As if thats going to help the Tandem sales. Stupid story filled with poor facts.
I feel sorry that Co-Motion as associated with the story.
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So what fact did they get wrong? I think she really did break her pelvis 
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So what fact did they get wrong? I think she really did break her pelvis
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The stoker pedels more than the captain?
As far as the injury is concerned and riding 20 miles back to their vehicle. Cell Phone and 911? Captain rides back to vehicle alone?? Asking for help??? Sounds like a Monty Python script - " Come on darling - only a flesh wound"
As far as the injury is concerned and riding 20 miles back to their vehicle. Cell Phone and 911? Captain rides back to vehicle alone?? Asking for help??? Sounds like a Monty Python script - " Come on darling - only a flesh wound"
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Say it ain't so! You can hurt yourself riding a bike? It never occurred to me. And thank God for our esteemed journalists for pointing that out. Like an (un-named) kayak / canoe publication that insists on running stories about grisly kayaking deaths in almost every issue. The point is........ if you don't kayak you can't possibly get hurt? What?
We need stories about the MNF guys who get up for another beer and trip over the dog (or cat) and wind up in the E-room. It's a tough sport -- and not thoroughly researched enough.
We need stories about the MNF guys who get up for another beer and trip over the dog (or cat) and wind up in the E-room. It's a tough sport -- and not thoroughly researched enough.
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We were there and, in fact, if you look closely at the two different segments where a large group of tandems are riding down a lovely, winding road sitting between white fencing, we’re sitting on front of the left line of tandems wearing dark helmets and the white with blue & yellow jerseys and my shorts have a yellow side-panel:
FWIW: CNN’s piece was focused on “health” and that seems to be where they put their attention, e.g., fitness aspects, risks, and rewards. The only two comments I’ll make with respect to “how news comes out” in general and in this story are:
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Trey was purportedly an intern with the paper who was sent out to “grab some quotes for a story”. He conducted two interviews with the first two people he saw Kevin V. -- who was talking with me at the back of my truck after our ride -- and yours truly.
Segment 1: 00:22 – 00:24
Segment 2: 01:05 – 01:08
There was also another shot of our group at 00:58 – 01:00, we’re in the right column toward (or at) the front.Segment 2: 01:05 – 01:08
FWIW: CNN’s piece was focused on “health” and that seems to be where they put their attention, e.g., fitness aspects, risks, and rewards. The only two comments I’ll make with respect to “how news comes out” in general and in this story are:
1. Fluff pieces like the CNN piece and the following article from the local LaGrange newspaper don’t necessarily get the same due-diligence from the editorial staff as more serious news and a lot gets cut when you’re trying to stuff a story into a 60 second piece.
2. Even with added due-diligence from the editorial staff on the serious news, I’ve rarely seen a story where I knew the facts and where the media got everything right.
Speaking of GTR and “interesting” news reports, if you thought the CNN piece was “rough” take a look at the local paper’s account.2. Even with added due-diligence from the editorial staff on the serious news, I’ve rarely seen a story where I knew the facts and where the media got everything right.
RALLY CYCLES THROUGH TROUP by Trey Wood
A tandem bike rally is composed of bicycles with more than one seat. The captains sits in front and the stoker in back.
A one-seat bicycle is known as a “single” to the tandem riders, who say they are gaining in numbers and becoming more common in almost every state, including the Peach State.
This is the ninth Georgia rally put on by Roger Strauss and Eve Kofksy of Marietta, who have taken their tandem teams through Americus, Madison, Statesboro, Athens and, now, LaGrange.
“We’ve heard a lot about this rally and how good it is,” said rider Kevin Vinson of The Colony, Texas, who rides with his wife, Linda.
“It’s our second year coming to Georgia for the tour.”
The tandem bicyclists have the luxury of added weight, making the bikes more stable, easier to move uphill and, most importantly, giving the rides a social atmosphere.
“The best way to ride a tandem is with other tandems,” said eight-time Georgia rally veteran Mark Livingood of Kennesaw, who rides with his wife, Debbie.
“You know, you’re out with other couples. Riding tandems together is like sitting at a coffee table...because you can have a nice social discussion going on during it. With single bikes, what you’re going to run into is single people or people who have nothing to talk about.”
The riders also hang out together after the rides. This weekend, the group is based at Hampton Inn and several participants will visit Butts Mill Farm as a group tonight.
Many of the riders travel all over the country and internationally for the tandem rallies. From California to Texas, Idaho to Tennessee, rallies have been created in every corner of America.
“We met some people, it was back in 2002, we attended the Southwest Tandem Rally with a lot of these people, they were from Georgia, and they all talked about the Georgia Tandem Rally,” Vinson said.
The Vinsons have ridden through dirt storms, 60 mph winds and around the coast of the Mediterranean Sea.
It’s a way to get closer to the person or people you’re riding with. Livingood and Vinson ride with their spouses. Eric Osgood and Linda Wood, husband and wife, ride a three-seater tandem with Eric’s father, Don, but it’s not the cheapest way to get closer to the ones you love.
The Vinsons chose a Trek T2000 tandem which can cost $2,500. The Osgood’s Thorn Trident costs almost $1,320 per seat for three seats, and it’s an English-made bicycle, so shipping could be expensive. To riders, however, the benefits far outweigh the costs.
“People who come out here to ride tandems have similar dispositions,” said Livingood. “They enjoy their spouse, they enjoy fitness, they enjoy the outdoors, they have that affinity for it.
“Motorcyclists, bicyclists... Motorcyclists and bicyclists are pretty much the same, except we’re in better shape.”
A tandem bike rally is composed of bicycles with more than one seat. The captains sits in front and the stoker in back.
A one-seat bicycle is known as a “single” to the tandem riders, who say they are gaining in numbers and becoming more common in almost every state, including the Peach State.
This is the ninth Georgia rally put on by Roger Strauss and Eve Kofksy of Marietta, who have taken their tandem teams through Americus, Madison, Statesboro, Athens and, now, LaGrange.
“We’ve heard a lot about this rally and how good it is,” said rider Kevin Vinson of The Colony, Texas, who rides with his wife, Linda.
“It’s our second year coming to Georgia for the tour.”
The tandem bicyclists have the luxury of added weight, making the bikes more stable, easier to move uphill and, most importantly, giving the rides a social atmosphere.
“The best way to ride a tandem is with other tandems,” said eight-time Georgia rally veteran Mark Livingood of Kennesaw, who rides with his wife, Debbie.
“You know, you’re out with other couples. Riding tandems together is like sitting at a coffee table...because you can have a nice social discussion going on during it. With single bikes, what you’re going to run into is single people or people who have nothing to talk about.”
The riders also hang out together after the rides. This weekend, the group is based at Hampton Inn and several participants will visit Butts Mill Farm as a group tonight.
Many of the riders travel all over the country and internationally for the tandem rallies. From California to Texas, Idaho to Tennessee, rallies have been created in every corner of America.
“We met some people, it was back in 2002, we attended the Southwest Tandem Rally with a lot of these people, they were from Georgia, and they all talked about the Georgia Tandem Rally,” Vinson said.
The Vinsons have ridden through dirt storms, 60 mph winds and around the coast of the Mediterranean Sea.
It’s a way to get closer to the person or people you’re riding with. Livingood and Vinson ride with their spouses. Eric Osgood and Linda Wood, husband and wife, ride a three-seater tandem with Eric’s father, Don, but it’s not the cheapest way to get closer to the ones you love.
The Vinsons chose a Trek T2000 tandem which can cost $2,500. The Osgood’s Thorn Trident costs almost $1,320 per seat for three seats, and it’s an English-made bicycle, so shipping could be expensive. To riders, however, the benefits far outweigh the costs.
“People who come out here to ride tandems have similar dispositions,” said Livingood. “They enjoy their spouse, they enjoy fitness, they enjoy the outdoors, they have that affinity for it.
“Motorcyclists, bicyclists... Motorcyclists and bicyclists are pretty much the same, except we’re in better shape.”
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Trey was purportedly an intern with the paper who was sent out to “grab some quotes for a story”. He conducted two interviews with the first two people he saw Kevin V. -- who was talking with me at the back of my truck after our ride -- and yours truly.
What they published: The tandem bicyclists have the luxury of added weight, making the bikes …. easier to move uphill
What was said: Discussion on why tandem rallies are a popular draw vs. other cycling events. Comment was that riding tandem with other tandems is a natural fit for the couple-oriented activity and for the bikes themselves given the physics associated with doubling the weight of a bike. Follow-up question: “how’z that?”. When riding in hilly terrain such as what you’ll find around LaGrange, a couple of average size on a tandem with their greater weight will descend much faster than a bike with an average sized single rider. That added weight and speed will also allow a tandem team to be carried much further up the following hill via momentum. So, when a tandem gets caught in a pack of single-rider bikes they usually loose their ability to leverage their downhill speed and momentum for the next rise which takes a lot of the efficiency out of a tandem and can also be frustrating. At a tandem rally, everything just clicks when teams of similar abilities ride together.
What they published: The tandem bicyclists have the luxury of added weight… …and, most importantly, giving the rides a social atmosphere.
What was actually said: Interesting job of editing here since the luxury of added weight must be assumed to refer to two riders. Sorry, it’s just too hard to ignore poor writing and editing.. and there are quite a few gramatical errors in this report.
What they published: “You know, you’re out with other couples. Riding tandems together is like sitting at a coffee table...because you can have a nice social discussion going on during it. With single bikes, what you’re going to run into is single people or people who have nothing to talk about.”
What was actually said: Following on to the question of “why do people like riding tandems?”, a quote that appears later in the article was the gist of the discussions, e.g., “People who come out here to ride tandems [often times] have similar dispositions [or interests, be it empty nesters, retirees, younger couples, or even families who enjoy cycling together],” said Livingood. “They enjoy their spouse, they enjoy fitness, they enjoy the outdoors, they have that affinity for it [just as you’ll find if you go a motorcycle rally, a regatta or other boating events, and the like. In fact, folks who ride motorcycles and who attend a motorcycle rally (like the Honda Hoot) are very similar to the folks who attend a tandem rally, except we work a bit harder on our rides and tend to be in better shape. Moreover, as a couple who enjoy cycling, riding with other tandem teams is far more like a social event than riding with single bike riders since the bikes allow four riders to carry on a conversation almost like you would at a coffee table over cocktails. When you ride with single bikes, you’re usually riding with either single people looking for other single people to hook up with or who really don’t have much to say to a couple on a tandem. [Reporter: In other words, they have nothing to say?] More often than not.
What they published: The riders also hang out together after the rides. This weekend, the group is based at Hampton Inn and several participants will visit Butts Mill Farm as a group tonight.
What was actually said: All 150+ people attending the rally will be heading to Butts Mill Farm for the rally banquet on Saturday night. Friday night was dinner on your own with an Ice Cream social at the town square.
What they published: “We met some people, it was back in 2002, we attended the Southwest Tandem Rally with a lot of these people, they were from Georgia, and they all talked about the Georgia Tandem Rally,” Vinson said.
What was actually said: “we attended the Southern Tandem Rally”… Bay St. Louis, to be exact, where “the usual suspects” from Georgia first met Kevin & Linda Vinson. I believe they attended their first GTR the following year, and then the year after that we and two other couples from Georgia attended a Southwest Tandem Rally.
What they published: The Vinsons chose a Trek T2000 tandem which can cost $2,500. The Osgood’s Thorn Trident costs almost $1,320 per seat for three seats, and it’s an English-made bicycle, so shipping could be expensive. To riders, however, the benefits far outweigh the costs.
What was actually said: Not sure what Kevin may have actually said, as the T2000 may have been about $2,500 when they purchased theirs; they have since risen in price to $3,500. However, at least for the Osgood-Woods, they weren’t the source for the $1,320 per seat as they only spent about $2k for their triplet. Moreover, Trey must have simply assumed that because they bought it from a company in the UK that it was also “made in England” because, in fact, it wasn’t and no one said that it was.
What they published: “Motorcyclists, bicyclists... Motorcyclists and bicyclists are pretty much the same, except we’re in better shape.”
What was actually said: As noted earlier, this came out of a discussion that attempted to draw analogies to a tandem rally from other activities where I observed that folks who ride motorcycles and who attend a motorcycle rally (like the Honda Hoot) have similar dispositions to the folks who attend a tandem rally, of course we work a bit harder on our rides and tend to be in better shape.
Lesson's Learned: Keep it simple and don't assume too much about your audience. I talk faster than I type and often times make too many assumptions about how well my audience is following my comments or grasps my metaphors and analogies. Reporters only use only a few "sound bites" to frame the story that they think their audience will care about and once the context and supporting discussion is stripped away things don't always sound the same as they did when they came out of your mouth. As for me, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut in the future and stick to "writing my own copy".
What was said: Discussion on why tandem rallies are a popular draw vs. other cycling events. Comment was that riding tandem with other tandems is a natural fit for the couple-oriented activity and for the bikes themselves given the physics associated with doubling the weight of a bike. Follow-up question: “how’z that?”. When riding in hilly terrain such as what you’ll find around LaGrange, a couple of average size on a tandem with their greater weight will descend much faster than a bike with an average sized single rider. That added weight and speed will also allow a tandem team to be carried much further up the following hill via momentum. So, when a tandem gets caught in a pack of single-rider bikes they usually loose their ability to leverage their downhill speed and momentum for the next rise which takes a lot of the efficiency out of a tandem and can also be frustrating. At a tandem rally, everything just clicks when teams of similar abilities ride together.
What they published: The tandem bicyclists have the luxury of added weight… …and, most importantly, giving the rides a social atmosphere.
What was actually said: Interesting job of editing here since the luxury of added weight must be assumed to refer to two riders. Sorry, it’s just too hard to ignore poor writing and editing.. and there are quite a few gramatical errors in this report.
What they published: “You know, you’re out with other couples. Riding tandems together is like sitting at a coffee table...because you can have a nice social discussion going on during it. With single bikes, what you’re going to run into is single people or people who have nothing to talk about.”
What was actually said: Following on to the question of “why do people like riding tandems?”, a quote that appears later in the article was the gist of the discussions, e.g., “People who come out here to ride tandems [often times] have similar dispositions [or interests, be it empty nesters, retirees, younger couples, or even families who enjoy cycling together],” said Livingood. “They enjoy their spouse, they enjoy fitness, they enjoy the outdoors, they have that affinity for it [just as you’ll find if you go a motorcycle rally, a regatta or other boating events, and the like. In fact, folks who ride motorcycles and who attend a motorcycle rally (like the Honda Hoot) are very similar to the folks who attend a tandem rally, except we work a bit harder on our rides and tend to be in better shape. Moreover, as a couple who enjoy cycling, riding with other tandem teams is far more like a social event than riding with single bike riders since the bikes allow four riders to carry on a conversation almost like you would at a coffee table over cocktails. When you ride with single bikes, you’re usually riding with either single people looking for other single people to hook up with or who really don’t have much to say to a couple on a tandem. [Reporter: In other words, they have nothing to say?] More often than not.
What they published: The riders also hang out together after the rides. This weekend, the group is based at Hampton Inn and several participants will visit Butts Mill Farm as a group tonight.
What was actually said: All 150+ people attending the rally will be heading to Butts Mill Farm for the rally banquet on Saturday night. Friday night was dinner on your own with an Ice Cream social at the town square.
What they published: “We met some people, it was back in 2002, we attended the Southwest Tandem Rally with a lot of these people, they were from Georgia, and they all talked about the Georgia Tandem Rally,” Vinson said.
What was actually said: “we attended the Southern Tandem Rally”… Bay St. Louis, to be exact, where “the usual suspects” from Georgia first met Kevin & Linda Vinson. I believe they attended their first GTR the following year, and then the year after that we and two other couples from Georgia attended a Southwest Tandem Rally.
What they published: The Vinsons chose a Trek T2000 tandem which can cost $2,500. The Osgood’s Thorn Trident costs almost $1,320 per seat for three seats, and it’s an English-made bicycle, so shipping could be expensive. To riders, however, the benefits far outweigh the costs.
What was actually said: Not sure what Kevin may have actually said, as the T2000 may have been about $2,500 when they purchased theirs; they have since risen in price to $3,500. However, at least for the Osgood-Woods, they weren’t the source for the $1,320 per seat as they only spent about $2k for their triplet. Moreover, Trey must have simply assumed that because they bought it from a company in the UK that it was also “made in England” because, in fact, it wasn’t and no one said that it was.
What they published: “Motorcyclists, bicyclists... Motorcyclists and bicyclists are pretty much the same, except we’re in better shape.”
What was actually said: As noted earlier, this came out of a discussion that attempted to draw analogies to a tandem rally from other activities where I observed that folks who ride motorcycles and who attend a motorcycle rally (like the Honda Hoot) have similar dispositions to the folks who attend a tandem rally, of course we work a bit harder on our rides and tend to be in better shape.
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Originally Posted by djsincla
As far as the injury is concerned and riding 20 miles back to their vehicle. Cell Phone and 911? Captain rides back to vehicle alone?? Asking for help??? Sounds like a Monty Python script - " Come on darling - only a flesh wound"
Cathy & Tracey are two of the nicest and "in love" folks you'll ever meet and neither one would have continued with the ride back to their van had there been any obvious signs that the crash caused more than deep brusing, etc...
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
So what fact did they get wrong?
• Tandem bicycles make up .1 percent of U.S. bike sales
Actually, I believe tandems make up less than .1 percent of U.S. bike sales. .1 percent would be really good, even if more than 1/2 of those are department store quality tandems.
• Cheapest 2-seaters cost $500, weigh 50 pounds
Actually, the cheapest 2-seaters can cost less than $250 for a new bike and most either weigh less than or more than 50lbs, although I'm sure there are few 50 pounders.
• Top-of-the-line bikes cost between $2,500 and $12,000
No, top of the line bikes cost between $6,000 and $13,500. Trek's most expensive model used to cost $2,500 and now costs $3,500, thus Trek's top-of-the-line tandem is now $3,500, although you can probably snag a NOS model for 2,400... not quite dealer cost but a great value.
• Contrary to popular belief, back rider does most of the pedaling
I believe this one is just a poor edit on the narrative from the video that rebutts the claim "she's not pedalling". Now, one could also make the argument that stokers expend 100% of their effort pedalling, whereas the captain must multi-task to steer, shift, brake, and otherwise maintain the tandem's balance while also pedalling: hence, a stoker's always pedalling which is not to say that the captain isn't.
From the narrative:
Tandems can “reach speeds of 18mph”
This was probably offered by one of the "A Teams (00:16 - 0019 on the video) as their average speed on Friday's very hilly 59 loop. While it's somewhat misleading, standing on its own it wasn’t a factual error… because tandems CAN reach speeds of 18mph. It just so happens that they can also reach speeds in excess of 60mph.
The first tandems were created for the man to steer from the back so that the woman would have a better view.
Not exactly. It would be true to note that many early tandems were called courting tandems where the "captain" would sit and steer from behind a female companion seated in front. but, it woudn't be true to say that the first tandems were made that way because they weren't.
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Originally Posted by TandemGeek
Lesson's Learned: Keep it simple and don't assume too much about your audience. I talk faster than I type and often times make too many assumptions about how well my audience is following my comments or grasps my metaphors and analogies. Reporters only use only a few "sound bites" to frame the story that they think their audience will care about and once the context and supporting discussion is stripped away things don't always sound the same as they did when they came out of your mouth. As for me, I think I'll just keep my mouth shut in the future and stick to "writing my own copy".
The good part is that there was copy for the tandems. People that are interested will probably already know or soon find out the errors in the story.
Those politicians have it right. Keep the message simple and stay on it. Eventually it gets through even if it seems dull to the presenter.
Every king needs a good advisor
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When we got into tandeming back in 1975 there was little info/write ups on tandems.
Having worked for newspapers for many years, it was only natural that we'd try our hand at writing tandem-related stories/artricles.
Most reporters, even sport writers, have little/no cycling experience, let alone tandem know-how. So what's obvious to us tandemistas is a real revelation to the folks who are trying to write an informed article and getting down words like captain/stoker, and giving it an interesting local angle.
Give the cub reporter an + for effort . . . better than completely ignoring an event.
Suggest a few letters to the editor to thank local paper for coverage without chastising them at the same time!
Just our perspective . . . been there, done that!
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Having worked for newspapers for many years, it was only natural that we'd try our hand at writing tandem-related stories/artricles.
Most reporters, even sport writers, have little/no cycling experience, let alone tandem know-how. So what's obvious to us tandemistas is a real revelation to the folks who are trying to write an informed article and getting down words like captain/stoker, and giving it an interesting local angle.
Give the cub reporter an + for effort . . . better than completely ignoring an event.
Suggest a few letters to the editor to thank local paper for coverage without chastising them at the same time!
Just our perspective . . . been there, done that!
Pedal on TWOgether!
Rudy and Kay/zonatandem
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Originally Posted by zonatandem
Suggest a few letters to the editor to thank local paper for coverage without chastising them at the same time!
However, and all kidding aside, it is also noteworthy that the Mayor Pro Tem and another senior member of the local tourism and city development board came to the Saturday morning mass-start and welcomed us to LaGrange. In fact, all of the folks from the staff at the local Hampton Inn, to the LaGrange police department, and local officials were most generous with their southern hospitality and the riding was excellent as well.
As for the CNN connection, our rally hosts are both news directors at CNN and Headline News. So, it wasn't quite a coincidence that CNN chose tandems and this rally as the subject for one of their 60 second heath watch updates.
If you'd like to kill a few minutes seeing who attends tandem rallies and what goes on, there are three different on-line photo albums now linked off of the Georgia Tandem Rally Web site: https://www.georgiatandemrally.com
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While there are other errors, I'll have to call you on this one. A fracture of any bone isn't always obvious, particulary if it occurs during a crash where other, less serious soft tissue trauma can mask the pain associated with the break.
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we have a few tandem groups out here, and the Great Western Bike Rally. but, I would like to know of any tandem specific rally in California?
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It's great that at these tandem events/rallies that the local politicos, police, media show an interest.
These events do add $$$ to the local economy . . . Our big local event, El Tour de Tucson, brings in over $1 million for that weekend . . . no small change!
These events do add $$$ to the local economy . . . Our big local event, El Tour de Tucson, brings in over $1 million for that weekend . . . no small change!
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My stoker tells me she's always doing more than her share of the work. Golly! I read it on the interweb, so I guess I have to believe her now. 
