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Old 07-04-07, 04:21 PM   #1
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Santana geometry chart?

I can't seem to find a geometry chart on the Santana website,or at any of their tandem dealers.Does anyone know where one can be viewed?

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Old 07-04-07, 05:51 PM   #2
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Bill McCready absolutely refuses to release geometry / sizes of his tandems, either on the website or in the catalog. He says if you want to know, you can take a tape measure into a Santana dealer and meaure a bike.

You might wonder how I could know that. Just like lots of other people, I have talked to him on the phone. You can call him up, and he will talk to you about tandems.

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If you are considering the purchase of a new tandem, think hard about paying the surcharge for custom geometry/sizing. Stock tandems in general are too short lengthwise in back for almost all stokers. Scroll down to the current thread "Saddle question for female stokers", and you'll see what it is like not to have enough room, though the problem can be much worse than that.

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There's nothing revolutionary about it...

73* head & seat tubes
5.5cm of fork rake / 1.89" of steering trail
44.5cm ish chainstays
26.7cm bottom bracket height

Below is a snapshot of a 2000 model year frame size table from Gear-to-Go Tandems web site. The only thing that may have changed is the stoker's top tube length. They may be 70.5cm (27.75") now vs. 70cm (27.5") back in '00... someone who owns one will need to weigh in here to validate that number.
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Old 07-05-07, 06:29 AM   #4
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The angles..

I had seen that chart on Gear-To-Gos' website,but I wasn't sure it was still current. I knew their stoker toptubes used to be shorter,but not sure what they are now,

I seem to remember the angles being 73 everywhere,but wasn't sure.



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Old 07-05-07, 11:19 AM   #5
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73* head & seat tubes
5.5cm of fork rake / 1.89" of steering trail
44.5cm ish chainstays
26.7cm bottom bracket height
...The only thing that may have changed is the stoker's top tube length. They may be 70.5cm (27.75") now vs. 70cm (27.5") back in '00... someone who owns one will need to weigh in here to validate that number.
On our purchased-in-Jan-2006 medium sized Team Niobium, the stoker top tube is closer to 70.5 (I measured virtual horizontal top tube instead of the actual sloping top tube). My wife is 5 foot 2 inches and I am 5 foot 8 inches which tells you nothing about our leg length and torso length but I think we're pretty average for our heigth - the top tube lengths are fine for us.

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Old 07-05-07, 10:55 PM   #6
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Bill McCready absolutely refuses to release geometry / sizes of his tandems, either on the website or in the catalog. He says if you want to know, you can take a tape measure into a Santana dealer and meaure a bike.
well of course, that makes perfect sense! especially 'cuz every shop carries a large selection of tandems in a full range of sizes. if someone's about to drop five to ten grand or more on a new tandem and the most important thing to figure out is if it fits correctly and they won't publish it 'cuz it's 'secret'. brilliant.
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... brilliant.
Actually, it is brilliant.

Here's the deal: Santana wants to know who's out shopping for tandems and has built a marketing model around their extensive catalog and the premise that making personal contact with a potential customer is the best way to secure a sale. Therefore, their website although more fully populated today has traditionally been quite sparse to entice visitors to request a catalog. The catalog request does a couple things in that it:

1. Adds the tandem shopper to their permanent client data base and mailing list for the annual catalog and the supplemental tour brouchure that also comes out about once a year (I'm stilll getting mine some 10+ years later).
2. It puts Santana's very colorful, images of happy tandem team-laden catalog in the hands of the shopper who will likely put it on a coffee table or, better yet, in the "reading room" where it will continue to be seen and picked up by other members of the family or even passed along to friends.
3. It causes a dealer contact sheet to be mailed along with the catalog that provides the name of your closest, authorized Santana dealer.
4. It puts your name and contact information in the hands of that same Santana dealer who may elect to call you or simply have that name sitting by their phone/computer so that they'll recognize who you are and where you live if and when you contact them.
5. It also means Santana's staff can punch your name into their client data base when you call to see if you're listed and, if not, will offer to send you a catalog, etc...

Now, guess what: there aren't any geometry tables in the catalog either. Why? Because Santana would prefer for you to make up your mind by riding their tandems, not simply comparing specs that may or may not mean anything to the average tandem buyer and that, after all, is their focus: the folks who are most likely to buy a Santana and, frankly, they know their market segment as well as anyone. Alternatively, and assuming you don't run across a dealer or enthusiast who happens to know what those numbers are, the hope is that you'll call or contact Santana or one of it's authorized dealers to ascertain that information. Again, the name of the game to Santana appears to be make personal contact with the client.

Just my .02, noting that I'm neither a Santana owner or dealer just an industry watcher, enthusiast and consumer advocate.

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Now, guess what: there aren't any geometry tables in the catalog either. Why? Because Santana would prefer for you to make up your mind by riding their tandems, not simply comparing specs that may or may not mean anything to the average tandem buyer and that, after all, is their focus: the folks who are most likely to buy a Santana and, frankly, they know their market segment as well as anyone.
And to be honest, that sort of makes sense. As I'm sure that we all know here, tandems don't really size up so neatly as single bikes. A test ride really is the only good way to determine if a stoker is going to break their nose on the captain's backside or whether a captain can adequately straddle and handle a certain bike. I guess that means that I'm advocating the assistance of a good dealer in most cases, regardless of manufacturer.
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